Potential for me John. Too many other elements come into play with speed.

And from what I know no one is running a line of 100% potential 3yo’s in the league. My best is the filly ‘Monsterous’ who is on my discord and I think she is about 97%. The rest of my 3yo team are 95% or less.

I had a 100% 3yo in my original Australian flat game now deleted, but it breed garbage and I got it so early I never had the mares to work with it, eventually it degraded.

Course some folk are more secretive than others.

I struggled to get full 4yo in my best flat game . In my new game I got full 4yos but just not enough time to make them better, would have been fun if we were half way through 7. Let's see if anyone agrees with me about speed over potential, or they go potential over speed.

I still have a save that is full of 100% potential 3yo horses, trouble with it is I coudn't find any horses with Extra Speed to breed with these horses. They all have 70% CB but only 80% ES

The 100% horses run pretty good in the CK but the horses from my newer save are 97% potential with 90% extra speed. The 97% horses out sprint the 100% horses in the final furlong.

Eventually abandoned the save.

I have never had a 3yo 100 potential. I only have 100 potential at 4 in 10 an 12f horse game. I got lucky finding one game mare really late into it. I would take potential full out of those 2.

I'm suffering now for my lack of attention to stats early on, Paul, yours are way past mine. Think I've maxed out on JUJU now so been caught

Not sure 100% potential guarantees anything. Virtually all my 4yo plus flat horses have 100% potential but they can't win a thing. Never had a level weight/WFA Group 1 win on flat in 10 seasons. Best is a 2yo G2 and a proper G1 hcap. Most if not all of my NH team are 100% too and yet they seem to have gone backwards this season, or it could ]just be the emergence of Vinny and the return of Jim,John and Daniel that is putting me back in a more realistic position. Also not being able to get in hunters this season is costing me 2 wins a week.

Vinny is fast becoming SO enemy number one at Leedham Towers (taking over from Gray ). Pinching all my jump wins and handicapping all my flat horses out of contention. All I need now is to find out he is a bloody Liverpool fan

None of it makes any sense to me. I think I must just play the game too realistically instead of using it as a tool for getting league horses. Seriously considering jacking in the flat and spending what little time I have on the jumps as been overtaken by a few on there after spending last few seasons in top 5 wins wise.

You can't jack it in on the flat until you have won the 2m5f marathon at Pontefract...

I have just looked and I have never even had a runner in it. It quite regularly attracts 2,3 or 4 runner fields ! Here is the daftest ever renewal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUOSNfy ... x&index=10

What are your average and top cruise and speed bars on both codes?

My best flat team in So7 never had full potential , between 95 and 97%. What they had was almost full speed in all of them from 5 furlongs to 2 miles. That why I take speed over potential.

The bars only are useful if the horses are good in CK. If you are not trialing every season to weed out the monsters that are actually duds and then breeding with the 100% potential horses you will go backwards. Some horses have great stats. I have had 100% potential 60% cruising and 95% speed. Horse was a monster in game but trailed many lengths behind last horse in trials ( and this happens often)

In short if you don't trial every season to get rid of the fake monsters you will be breeding a huge amount of duds.

I achieve the same with my three season cycles, though I do sometimes drop a year one into the barn if I like what I see, but mostly I am breeding post trial. You can create a trial star from a dud line though, if paired with a ck horse. So preserving favourable bars still has merit you just need to expect a low percentage hit rate, another reason why I have 400+ mares in the barn. I have 45 stud horses right now, 20 of which are breeding studs and have never had a race or trial, but have something I want to explore.

Josh

What are your average and top cruise and speed bars on both codes?[/quote]

Cruising burst over 50 (except sprinters) up to about 75

Extra speed 75 -98 except extreme stayer on about 65.

I think my mistake may be not trialling every season.

If there are horses that have monster bars/perform well in game but poorly in CK then it stands to reason that the opposite must be true as well. I am probably missing out on those horses that are useless in game but good in the CK.

My excuse of course is that I haven't got time to trial every season but i should probably reevaluate this and manage my game time better.

Great info thanks.
From what season should you start trialing?
From the very beginning of a game when purchasing 2yo in season 2, even before breeding?