So now the problem is not the lack of opportunities to qualify, but the lack of races once qualified?

Make up your minds lads.

My older horses are still better than my 3 year olds since the change. Might be to do with my NH game

Are you trying to say that an 80 horse running in a group race will run better over its correct distance of say 2m, than it would in a poor 2m2 maiden? I've heard it all now.

Where has this been said by Leon or myself? Cue silly smiley face as if I've won the argument.

Too many low grade handicaps and not any many maidens to qualify for these races as a result the races had small fields.

Of course, a horse will run to its highest level over its best trip, it will run to a higher level finishing last in a Group 2 at its correct trip than it will finishing 5th or 6th in a weaker race at the wrong trip. Finishing position is completely irrelevant in determining what level a horse has run to.

What are you on about? My point about Group races was that if you finish last in a 2m4 Group race and have already finished 5th in a 2m maiden you were only eligible for 1m6-2m2. You wont be eligible for races over 2m4+. Those were the rules for last season. Again being the handicapper I thought you might have been aware of this. Obviously not.

Jesus Christ matt, you are a nightmare, no wonder Andy was pulling his hair out.

Im out, hopefully the majority are happy with the schedule whatever that may be, cyas in the league.

Why would that concern me? The races are already run when I get them so there is nothing I can do about the rules.

"if you finish last in a 2m4 Group race and have already finished 5th in a 2m maiden you were only eligible for 1m6-2m2"

i dont remember seeing this rule stated clearly

Fair play if it was stated in those terms, but it didnt effect my job handicapping in any case, there were other people who dealt with the rules.

My older horses are still better than my 3 year olds since the change. Might be to do with my NH game


I only race them at 3 because there bar gets full. The only older horse I might have is a stayer that runs faster at 3 over 2 miles but runs a little quicker over two and a half at four.

If you cant work out whats been said then god help you. Maybe you and Andy should run the league. Leon actually thinks it both not enough opportunities to qualify and not enough races. Thats what he said.

You made a great point about the Group races. Oh hang on you were wrong. I must stop correcting people who make stuff up as its considered an attack.

"Also poor horses running in Group races aren't going to qualify for races over those distances"

I wasnt aware of that rule

It was the same for every distance, if you wanted to get 6 horses qualified between a 4 furlong spread then you have to bite the bullet and use listed/group races, there was literally hundreds of horses in group races last season who shouldnt have been in them, so I cant see that being the problem.

I doesnt get any clearer than what I just showed, it was extremely easy to get 6 stayers qualified for their respective distances, you are just flogging a dead horse now.

Leon actually thinks it both not enough opportunities to qualify and not enough races.

Its probably enough on here about this as its going nowhere.

Those that have stayers are unhappy which is obvious and those that have sprint/milers are happy which is also obvious. Its best to wait for Andy's schedule in any case. After that it will be worth discussing.






My 3 year olds were really bad last season. None came close to full potential most around 70%. Since the changes I now have some that get to 80/90% at 3 but my horses all peak at 5/6 with 100% bars at those ages. Again its probably because of breeding for NH