Has the racekit been updated for this season? The way the races are run gives so many false results, or a large majority of the field no chance after a furlong or two. I understand if there are no make all or handy horses in the race then it will be a muddling affair but its just beyond belief now how many races aren't races imo. Everyone saying your horse has been given another bad ride, im 100% certain its a fault in the racekit.

Congrats to all winners still, I dont want this to seem too much like sour grapes. This isn't just about me but the league in general.

Mondays runners

R4 Mr Kipling (8th) - ran ok. in hindsight I should have run him in the chesham.
R9 In For A Penny (7th) - solid effort. she just wasn't good enough.

Tuesday

R14 Somnambulist (7th) - doesn't stay this far and was running solely to give me a bit of interest in the race.
R15 Ned Kelly (6th) - ran well for a long way before weakening inside last furlong. he looks like a horse without a trip tbh.
R16 Muffin The Mule (7th) - trials well over C&D and was hoping for a decent run. reality is she produced yet another dreadful effort.
R18 Skye Blue (2nd) - step up in trip suited and she ran a cracker.
R20 Off His Rocker (15th) - trip was too short and was badly outpaced last 3f.

well done to all winners and placers.

well in all honesty today was a joke historic fish being apparently "outpaced" last with2 1/2 f to go but was the winner on the final screen shes not a hold up horse

Green man pulled up injured that's the 1st time in literally hundreds of trials/races

Indie sempre is about 1 second quicker than that

getting a bit sick of this if im honest ! especially as I trial before the races and know what sort of times my horses run no pacemakers or race handy types all ev pace/hold up so why cant they run anywhere near these times ? same thing yesterday 4/7 ridden to wrong instructions. really thinking about calling it a day.

rant over congrats all runners

i can sympathise with that my milers have been a nightmare but at least the cast of milers have shone in the NHC
so my time was not completely wasted but feel exactly how you do becomes a bit disheartening when you see a jockey pull your
horse back detached by 5 lengths when it does not do that in your own ck

but in all honesty i don't think this will be sorted until so6 comes out
this is taking all of Marks precious time and thats fair enough

i have started breeding for season 3 only an hour or so a day looking for natural handy types
especially for epsom and newmarket i think these races can be stolen with a natural front runner
does not always happen but i have seen how epsom favours a natural front runner nearly impossible to peg them back
i more convinced then ever that ck times mean nothing so i am now trying to find a line in handy horses/types

eg i have already found horses that regularly beat andys derby winner set with race handy instructions
and his horses are over a second quicker than mine with pacemakers just shows

How you trial will never be replicated exactly in the league. The Coronation was not a race as there was no pace. Horses getting injured does happen, thats just bad luck.

Indian Sempre if you send me the file I will test her in my ck and see what happens, that was a true run race imo but I will happily test her against the winner with pacemaker, no pacemaker and a handy horse.

As for calling it a day I think I will see this season out but there is no point at all in breeding for next season because the races are a joke, but I feel for different reasons than you. The pace of the race, when slow, is greatly affecting how horses are running. If you read my post above I try to explain it. Further to that; If a race in real life is slowly run the field will nearly always bunch up to stop of the others 'nicking it'. In SO5 horses are 'nicking it' in most of the Group races, unless there is a pace of 33mph+ then the form is more genuine. In some races when the pace is 25-30mph and horses are 5-10 lengths behind after 1-2f, this is unrealistic and would never happen in real life and frankly it is ruining the league.

Thats my opinion and im sure im right.

Again you should read my post. Pace of races is ruining the league. However the 1000 Guineas was a true race, when your horse won the trial it wasn't and that is why Comprendre(?) has not replicated that form. It stole the race from the front. The reason your horse does not detach by 5 lengths in your ck is because your have a consistent pace.

As for beating Andy's horses in your ck, again I doubt it would work out the same in the league. You can trial 1m times and might not replicate the race the same as it would be in the league. Also times still mean a lot.

firstly Matt i picked my lge team trailing WITHOUT pacemakers
so you are quite mistaken on that point but seems my horses are an easy target for critisim
as i did have the project 137 thread open and left myself open to it

maybe my horses were not good enough that fair enough i can take that and regularly do
but when they do something completely alien to what they do in my CK
it becomes disheartening but i am not giving up FAR FROM IT
i enjoy it too much its great fun got a great buzz from my 2 winners in each code today

Did I say anything about pacemakers?

Im quite mistaken and your horses are easy targets for criticism? No idea what you are going on about there? Where have I criticised your horses? It would seem again your dislike to me is shining through. I am trying to point out problems with the racekit, not your horses.

I have pointed out problems in the Dubai Gold Cup, Most races at Chester, the Derby and Coronation Cup at Epsom and at Ascot the Coronation stakes and now I will point out a problem with the Ascot Gold Cup. Am I criticising more of your horses there? Sorry if i am

I neither like you or dislike you Matt to be honest never spent much time thinking about the subject



To me the above sounds a bit critical but i will live

I agree with the Gold Cup. The front two were the best horses in the race but Careless was absolutely belting home and the way the race went it literally had no chance! Never mind hopefully all can be redeemed later in the season congrats all winners and placers so far!

How is it critical? So I am now criticising every horse and trainer in the races I've mentioned. Is that what you're saying? Are you sure Im not criticising the racekit?

Good day for me at Ascot with

2 3rds
1 4th

Congrats all winners and placers

So I dont offend anyone else I wouldn't say Cruise Ship was the second best horse in the Gold Cup on the evidence of that race. He was in a handy position throughout a slowly run race and also went after the winner sooner than those in behind. Therefore the form, in my opinion, is not as clear cut as the result. My horse definitely had an advantage throughout the race compared to those in behind, who at times were ten lengths behind off a slow pace. Again I really doubt this would happen in real life, and if it did, jockeys would close the gap sooner rather than wait till the horse has bolted(excuse the pun)

Blimey Matt you do love the last word i am in agreement with you about the race kit
what i meant by critical was the comments about why comprende has not replicated that form
just come across that you were pointing out that he was not good enough to replicated that form
maybe i misunderstood you not for the first time
sometimes its best to let some things go Matt you don't always have to have the last word
can we leave it there?

When I cant understand what you are saying im naturally going to reply. When you are saying im mistaken and putting words in my mouth, ie I said you used pacemakers, im going to reply. You have not posted in your replies that you are in agreement over the racekit, am I supposed to know this? You also said if your horse isn't good enough then fair enough you can take it but now you're saying im being critical of your horse. Maybe he isn't good enough, who knows. I dont actually care. We dont know but I can tell you that the trial he won was because he set a slow pace in a small field. That is not criticising your horse it is stating an opinion. My horse finished second in the Gold Cup because he had the best position, apart from the winner, in a slow run race. The horses in behind had NO chance at all. The race was seven seconds slow.

If everyone else wants to say im out of order for highlighting certain races then fair enough. But dont keep moaning about jockeys giving the worst rides ever and then say you either disagree with me or im out of order. Its a contradiction.

As for having the last word, no I dont need to. But dont say im doing this or that when im not.