And here's the results.




Now just as I was downloading the pic of the result I looked at Callisoe Bay's Family Tree and I was Shocked to see



That damn Jinxy Jack

I have no idea what it all means but look out for Leon with his jumpers on the flat next season.

Yeah thats how I read it, an what I'm doing, but think Jal read it as saying it was all luck

Luck plays a monster part, what happens if Rakki's potential never reached his full potential he would have gone in the bin . U need two things to bred horses. Lady Luck and Time.

I have been reading these posts with great interest, but how\where do you get these horses to start\refresh breeding lines?

These are the 2 best CK milers I have, but when I breed them they only produce horses of the same standard. Music Maker is my league miler and has finished 6th in a G1 race, but about 7 lengths back, so is decent but not great.

At the moment I have tried breeding them with every decent horse that comes into the breeding barn but with no luck. I have tried starting about 100 new games looking for a stallion to improve the lines but the 2 horses I found with decent green bars are about 5 lengths of the pace of these 2 in the CK.

JIm post a pic of that horse u said had good green bars.

You need to collect your own game fillies to breed them with, not necessarily game horses that appear in the barn. I use customised schedules with high paying claimers in it so I get all the best game horses. Once i trial them all in the CK, I use the best to breed with each other

It was natural to a point but once I started just breading for stats and my horses improved so much when I got a high extra speed into my lines.



If I was you I would try to find a gamebred sprinter with a high extra speed rating, potential doesn't matter. Then breed it with all your best fillies/mares and with some luck you will get a horse with the high speed rating from your gamebred sprinter and potential from your fillies.

If u talking about pure flat breeds then I would say the percentage of importance is this.

Potential 45%
Speed Rating 40%
Burst 15%

I have noticed for a long time now that my best performers in game -- the ones who go undefeated or close to it during their career and run great times -- usually have a 100% speed bar in the main parameters box. If you add that to the bars mentioned before in the thread you might raise your game some more.

Shortened schedules aren't for me so I stick to my year long schedule. I work with one or two pairs at the most to move it along faster.

I also agree that potential rating is important but not as important as others.
I have come across many horses that have similar horse traits but perform very well in the ck that have say 7.5 to 8.5 potential compared to say 9 to 10 potential.
Why do they beat others with similar traits but higher potential?
Its because when placed in the ck there is another hidden horse trait that reflects as a performance hit.
Every horse has it so when you see a monster in the game and race it in the ck it can be very poor.
This has to be taken into consideration.
Now when ever a horse in game only reaches say 7.5 potential you do notice sometimes as it races during the season that it can increase (not just end of season).
This means that it can get better. Maybe it represents real life in game such as training/feeding/breaking in/injuries/temperament/love and care of a horse etc?? Horses can be mishandled in real life and never reach their potential. But the potential was still there.
So if a horse had say a 7.5 potential and was good in the ck(I'm talking about game bred's here) its off spring could possibly reach 9.5.
I have seen this and it's offspring becomes about 2 lengths better in the ck.
I have come across two evenly matches horses in the ck but one with a much lower potential rating and when its offspring appear with a higher potential rating it beats them all.
One thing I know for sure Mark has said that every horse in game takes a performance hit in the ck, game bred and human bred.
So I look for Sires that perform well and when evenly matched with other sires take the lower potential horse knowing that it will produce better offspring.
This is just one aspect of my trailing.

I agree that you need a good base of game bred horses that perform well in the ck to start with. They are not going to be G1 horses but with time and effort you will get there.

I have only ever seen 1 game bred horse that was G1 quality a few series ago so it is possible to pull one.

Cheers all.

John

I found these 2 by starting many many new games, but have never seen a horse with high cruising burst while doing this. With both these horse I was breeding for green bars. The first horse for extra speed, finishing and consistancy. The second horse had almost full potential as a 3yo whereas my horses up to that point had only about 90% bar as a 3yo.

What does the code for a claiming race look like? What would I have to change in the example below to make it a claiming race?


6,L,4UP
45000
Lingfield:cc_dirt1
Cleves Stakes
February

Prince du Beury is a gamebred sprinter with high speed rating, got him at start of new game. Should I just keep breeding him with my mares until extra speed rating goes up or should I find another horse.

In work at the min, I'll copy an paste one in here later. Or i can send you the scheds i use if you prefer, warning there's one for every distance, and the only races in them are gp1s an claimers.

This for me is the biggest part, the bit about the hidden CK trait is massive. I'd say now though that it is a lot closer than in previous games. I find the form in the game correlates a lot closer to the CK form than it used to. But All the stats an stuff i think are secondary to this trait, it's not a trait you can see unless you trial, and it's the reason the right kind of trialing is essential. If you get your best CK horses, and only then should you get the other traits added into them. That's my opinion anyway. If you get a very good CK horse with the other traits already, then jackpot.