Don't think Andy as posted since last week matt

I only asked as I thought he'd said it would be ready last Wednesday. Hope he's ok.

Interesting that Matts Australian bred horses are only Australian in very recent generations, and won uk races as 3yo as did all the horses in the lines, no sign of any Australian races won by these Australian breds.



Knowing now that him and Duke tell each other what they have learned about the game, and that Duke was the one who knew about the Australian cheat, its very interesting indeed.

Could bring last seasons trainers championship into disrepute.

This is becoming rather tiresome.

I've tried the best I can to try and do the best by the league but its just going to keep coming back time after time, I am fed up of continually having to justify myself to people for something that happened years and years ago.

Once again the whole Australian aspect was not a CHEAT. It was available to everyone and only worked if you exported Australian horses in the english game, from what I can see with Matt's files last season they were Australian bred and were exported within an Australian game so this wouldn't have affected his horses in any way whatsoever.

In actual fact I think it was either Paul or Andy who noticed there was a marked difference in improvement once Australian horses were exported within the English game, and once again I can categorically deny I had anything whatsoever to do with what you are suggesting.

Another thing I had recently started penning an article explaining EXACTLY how I play the game, in truth it isn't in a too dissimilar way from Andy but I have my own tweaks which works for me and has enabled me to gather pace on the leading lights in a rather short amount of time. I was going to make this available to everybody within both the league and the forum but to be honest what's the point.

Feeling very disillusioned right now with it, need to consider my options I think.

I must say I am getting pretty tired of this as well. If the people who keep bickering and arguing want to run league put yourself forward and you can take over from me.

It wasn't technically a cheat as there was not a rule against it for the league because not many people knew about it, it would have to be described as a cheat in the game though.

It was gaining an unfair advantage.

Here is the proof.

All horses winning 3yo uk races, last generation suddenly changes to Australian.










I can confirm this is the same scenario with all of matts Australian breds.

If Matt can explain this please? To put our minds at rest, wouldnt like to think the trainers championship was not a level playingfield.

The thing is Joe, even if Matt did import some UK horses into an Australian game, I believe the horses he ran were exported from an Australian game with Australian nationality, this would give him very little to no advantage whatsoever, and certainly wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing high-end races.

The problem was importing Australian horses (2yos) back into a UK game at 3 and then exporting them (believe Paul broke the news on this in his thread) which I believe Matt hasn't done? So there is no issue here.

Its fairly obvious Matt has exported Australian 2yos, or else they couldn't have won uk 3yo races.

And the advantage was huge, at least .3 of second which is more than enough to be the difference between winning and losing in the league.

To be honest this is not doing the league any favours going back to the past the past is the past and it belongs in the past so why do people drag up it back up when dicey brought this back up Jamie explained what happen and was truthful so we should move on.

I thought this was done and dusted and now I am wandering why Andy has not posted since last week and not uploaded the New Schedule he was going to put up last week ?

Yes it would be providing the horse was exported in the UK at 3 and came from an Australian game at 2, but even so the horse would have to have a good enough level of ability anyway.

Think it's best waiting on Matt to answer this to be honest, once he comes online.

To be honest I don't blame him. Why should he waste all those hours compiling a schedule and helping out people in the league when at any minute when something half suspicious comes up or something is slightly disagreed with you get ganged up, upon.

I remember when he was accused of cheating simply because he has excellent horses, he handled that better than I expected to be honest but perhaps he has had enough after viewing recent events on here? I could hardly say I blame him.

People are quick to point fingers, and majority of the time it is over absolutely nothing with either miniscule or no proof whatsoever. It would be more helpful if those pointing the fingers thought about the damage it could potentially do to the league, and the atmosphere surrounding it before airing their grievances and perhaps things would be better.

It seems people would rather warmonger instead to pass their day by.

I effectively accused Andy by saying it didnt look good, all his horses where about .3 clear of everyone elses at every distance, I done one crop with the Australian cheat and my horses were suddenly just as good as his so what was I to think? I overreacted at the time and I did apologize to Andy for that, he couldnt have been doing it because the UK flag was next to his horses.

A lot of people where not happy at the time, putting a lot of time into the game only to find out a cheat that people knew about that could get 500 hours work done in 10 minutes and even PJ said he would not be happy if someone had been using this in the league.

This time there is clear evidence that someone was in fact using the cheat, but we will wait to see if he can explain it.

Your best course of action would have been to approach Paul and get him to investigate the situation, what with him being league president and all.

Lets just say (hypothetically) this is what Matt has done...

You've decided to wait all this time, in addition to the fact he has said he won't be entering either league this season (thus having no effect) to air your thoughts on this?

Something like this could have been done many many weeks ago, you have had access to the horse files all season through doing the handicapping, yet you feel the need to do it when the leadership of the league is already under severe strain from all quarters.

And not only that you start by trying to call me out for being behind it all, simply because I have spoken to him about how I play my game in the past.

You really need to think about what you are writing when you are doing stuff like this, because it come across that you are trying to cause unnecessary trouble.

I only just checked his files today.

And I wasnt calling you out for anything, you were not involved in the league last season, as far as im aware you were the first person to post about this in the forum, and Matt has just recently said that you and him tell each other what you have learned about the game so Matt could easily have known about this way before anyone else.

It has nothing to do with you or the leadership of the league, or the future of the league, but if Matt was doing this then he should give up the trainers championship that he was bragging about to Andy. IF this is the case.

We will wait to see what he has to say.

Good to see Steve keeping an eagle eye on the league he has already walked away from on many occassion.

Hi Steve.