I've got a few questions.

Hex editing is editing the binary of a file, heard that some people were editing horse files, in theory if you could find the bytes that determine how good a horse is you could change them, you would need to be good with all that stuff tho, its not easy. Doc Quote. July 28-2013

It's not easy, and yet people were using it in 2010 and hex old SO games, and by what I read in here more than a few was doing it back in the day. U said yesterday u could only change speed and stamina and yet we've seen what that horse could do in another topic. A monster at every distance.

I know mark said he got software to check but lets say if someone had bought the game when it first came out and for the first three months worked at one distance "lets say 6F" then just hexed a couple of his/her best colts/mares then they would have a pretty good horses over every distance, then from there bred about 20 generations to get them to the top would the software be able to pick them up on it, or would the hexing disappear. It's like in cycling where they will take something to cover up the illegal drugs. They say cheaters never prosper but sadly they do

I think the league has hit a brick wall that I'm not sure it can get up from

The hex editing would only change the particular exported horse file and would have no bearing whatsoever on breeding lines, or any offspring within the game so that wouldn't be possible. This was also picked up by Mark back in SO3, and rectified so that anything was flagged up to the attentions of him, or any race staff it was passed on to.


I disagree completely. I believe all trainers within the current league, are in with a completely clear string of horses. The fact Doc had all these supposed monsters at his disposal yet didn't enter the league suggests to me that he knew about what he'd found, and thankfully didn't enter the league otherwise that could have caused major problems.

To be honest I think majority of my horses would beat anything he's hexed, and so would yours Paul, Ghost and Steve but even so in the interests of fair play then it is something that has to be investigated just to clear the conscience of a few who obviously believe certain people are still bending the rules to gain an advantage.

The league has been fantastic this season, the level of competition I've seen is at the strongest I've been a participant of and we shouldn't let the actions of a player who hasn't even entered the league this season to detract from what we've all been a part of over eleven weeks thus far.

I don't blame Doc because he never entered the league but why wasn't it brought to eveyone's attention then, all the files should have been looked at.

I don't blame Doc because he never entered the league but why wasn't it brought to everyone's attention then, all the files should have been looked at.

I agree completely and no idea why they weren't looked at, because I was under the impression they were at the beginning of every season.

I think we now need to know if software can pick up things like hexing or the league is over as it stands. No one will put the time in because if the files system is the same then it's easy prey to the vultures.

I was fortunate enough to work with you guys running one of the seasons of the so5 lge and i know that
everyone working on the lge were honest and had great integrity and also believed in fairplay and wanted
to help new trainers.

I would never falsely accuse anyone of cheating To be honest there are a few things that just don't add up
The fact this could have being going on for the 3 seasons well to me that is unacceptable.

with what has been revealed the Doubt is there and everyone is under a cloud
& that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth too lets not mess around here we all know the ridiculous amount of hours
goes into just being just barely competitive in the lge any honest trainer who made such a commitment is bound to feel
lousy about this situation it stinks but very glad Mark has plans to sure things up even more in the future.


Right now I think i will be just playing SO6 for fun this has just put me off completely but I will wait and see
what Mark comes up with if it becomes totally impossible to cheat in SO6 which (I thought this was the case in SO5)
then maybe i may feel differently but to me this situation has tarnished the last 3 seasons of the lge totally
and begs the Question is it really worth the hassle and time,

This is the big concern i have too is it really detectable i was lead to believe that it was impossible for
cheats to upload horses that had been edited even if the horse file name was changed the software would detect this
now we hear that actually files have to be manually scanned and this has not been done for years and as you say
can the hex editing detection disappear after a few generations of breeding edited horses???


This thread (Construction kit Software security improvements) this has not even been updated since 2010
last post was on Wed Jun 02, 2010 from what i have read i dont think any of the horse files have been scanned
for the 3 seasons of the SO5 Leagues which i would have thought was a Hugely important starting point to any season

So as we now know it was very possible to cheat if you had programming knowledge like obviously Doc Hay has
and who knows who else has it was possible to cheat and we will never know if this happened in the previous 2 seasons

Sorry i have to say this But What a Mess

Lets just say a person knows how to hex edit( they say u learn something new every day and that's what I learned yesterday), lets say someone found a good game bred horse the first week it's played then someone could hex it and have a good horse over every distance straight away. How long would it take if u played it normally to get to that standard, god knows. If someone only hex one horse then u have just saved hundreds of hours of game play.