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You need to collect your own game fillies to breed them with, not necessarily game horses that appear in the barn. I use customised schedules with high paying claimers in it so I get all the best game horses. Once i trial them all in the CK, I use the best to breed with each other



What does the code for a claiming race look like? What would I have to change in the example below to make it a claiming race?


6,L,4UP
45000
Lingfield:cc_dirt1
Cleves Stakes
February



In work at the min, I'll copy an paste one in here later. Or i can send you the scheds i use if you prefer, warning there's one for every distance, and the only races in them are gp1s an claimers.



making every race a claiming race? Not ethically correct IMO so you can literally go and get every
game bred horse in the game i never knew this was possible and I dont think its right at all
how many people do this or have done this? Is this not just another way of cheating?


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No, 2 claimers for 3yo+ an 2 for 2yos. The rest as gp1s. It doesnt give you every good horse in the game, far from it, and i'm not sure how it could be seen as cheating, it speeds hings up, very slightly at most as the older good horses rarely run in them

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Let me just clarify, I use this to get a base of game horses as i am starting about 2 years or more after the rest. Once I have the base of horses, it has no effect at all on the breeding programme. If I couldn't do this it means i would be spending another 6 months just getting game horses, I simply couldn't an wouldn't be entering the league

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I don't think it's Cheating when I made schedules I put a couple in I put a 4m Claiming Race at Pontypool my fantasy Course if your schedules is Completely or even more than 3 quarters full of claimers and selling races then I think Paul might be right.

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its not, it has a couple just to speed stuff up as I was starting so far behind. I also find that the older horse claimers are pointless anyway, can't say Ive ever seen a gp1 winner in them.

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I don't think it's Cheating when I made schedules I put a couple in I put a 4m Claiming Race at Pontypool my fantasy Course if your schedules is Completely or even more than 3 quarters full of claimers and selling races then I think Paul might be right.

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I never go outside of Using Marks editor i really would not have a clue how to
i tried years ago when we had the decrypter for making scheds but was useless and
gave up very quickly it id my head in completely


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Just on Cruising Burst this is the highest bar i Could find

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Just on Cruising Burst this is the highest bar i Could find

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30% is the biggest I've seen for sprinters. I assume the higher the bursting speed, the more likely to be a hold up, which seems useless for the league? If you can get a Mid div or front rank horse with that kind of CB, I imagine you're golden?

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If I was you I would try to find a gamebred sprinter with a high extra speed rating, potential doesn't matter. Then breed it with all your best fillies/mares and with some luck you will get a horse with the high speed rating from your gamebred sprinter and potential from your fillies.



Prince du Beury is a gamebred sprinter with high speed rating, got him at start of new game. Should I just keep breeding him with my mares until extra speed rating goes up or should I find another horse.


The perfect horse, I'd breed u sprinters and milers to him. I know people make it sound easy but u will gain speed rating and lose on other things, it's a balancing act.


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kniesh wrote:

You need to collect your own game fillies to breed them with, not necessarily game horses that appear in the barn. I use customised schedules with high paying claimers in it so I get all the best game horses. Once i trial them all in the CK, I use the best to breed with each other



What does the code for a claiming race look like? What would I have to change in the example below to make it a claiming race?


6,L,4UP
45000
Lingfield:cc_dirt1
Cleves Stakes
February


U got to change the second letter.

10,C,3UP
40000
Newmarket:cc_flatTurf1
James Seymour Stakes
November


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I don't think it's Cheating when I made schedules I put a couple in I put a 4m Claiming Race at Pontypool my fantasy Course if your schedules is Completely or even more than 3 quarters full of claimers and selling races then I think Paul might be right.

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I had 3 meetings a year. Like say Newmarket that would have 6 clamming races over a different distance.

But remember u wont have group 1 winners running in claimers.

I would like to see the stats bars go in SO7.


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what drives me crazy is I have noticed that you keep loosing stats
I got my speed bar nearly full for my 2milers but when i Crossed with something
that had high cruising burst the speed bar plummeted its nearly impossible to have good
stats for everything not everything will stick and its very frustrating unless you come
accross one of them freaks

Also if Claiming races dont attract G1 animals then i have no issue

so are you saying if you make the 2000 Guineas a claiming race it will attract different horses
to the G1 version


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what drives me crazy is I have noticed that you keep loosing stats
I got my speed bar nearly full for my 2milers but when i Crossed with something
that had high cruising burst the speed bar plummeted its nearly impossible to have good
stats for everything not everything will stick and its very frustrating unless you come
accross one of them freaks

Also if Claiming races dont attract G1 animals then i have no issue

so are you saying if you make the 2000 Guineas a claiming race it will attract different horses
to the G1 version


I know Steve made it sound easy but it's not straight forward. He made it sound like it would take 5 mins but it doesn't. I have spent a stupid amount on my flat team and there's no quick easy way to do it.

Plus even if u have great horses they might not be the right type of horse for the league like my miler Mill Reef.

Yes a claiming 2000 will be weaker than a normal one. U might strike lucky every now and then with a horse.


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I have one big two day claiming meeting at the start of my schedule. Given the big prize money for them and that they are the first races of the season, a lot of the top game-bred horses will run in them.

I trial them once I purchase and export them. Some of them might have full potential but I find that 90% of the time they don't perform in the CK.
I breed the ones that have high cruising burst or high battling qualities. Everynow and then you'd find a gem though.

I got lucky on the very first game I played of SO6. I got a gamebred called Intidab as one of my starting horses. He had max potential and max speed bar.
Most of my lines begin with him. I still breed him to this day to add speed to my horses.


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pjrhodes1970 wrote:
what drives me crazy is I have noticed that you keep loosing stats
I got my speed bar nearly full for my 2milers but when i Crossed with something
that had high cruising burst the speed bar plummeted its nearly impossible to have good
stats for everything not everything will stick and its very frustrating unless you come
accross one of them freaks

Also if Claiming races dont attract G1 animals then i have no issue

so are you saying if you make the 2000 Guineas a claiming race it will attract different horses
to the G1 version


Yeah, the only advantage you get is picking up a few of the good ones at 2yos. You dont get that many more, but it helps a bit. Once breeding starts its easier just to go back to normal scheds.

I think that breeding the same horse twice rarely has the same outcome. I've bred two of my best an got rags, but tried them again an got a very good horse. Also the other way round. I lost my best sprinter a while back due to a mishap. Meant I couldn't breed from it, so went back an bred the same 2 horses again, an never once got anywhere near the original. For me this opens the possibility of 2 horses that are very good, one with exceptional 'extra speed' the other with exceptional 'cruising burst', both very good in the CK. If they fail to produce an offspring with both of those qualities the same as their parents, then just keep repeating until they do. For me it just keeps producing offspring with a varying degree of both of those qualities, but eventually, it will produce one with both. Meaning always cross breeding if you ask me, as it will likely be the same for stamina, speed etc..

I have had so many horses bred together that produce such different results that I'd say just continuing with them until they do produce one that is the ultimate they can produce, is a certainty. I may be wrong, an I'm sure someone who has spent more time on their breeding can answer properly, but i will almost certainly be trying this.

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