ok so im not flavour of the month with a few at the mo but contrary to wha t some believe i do want more genuine group race contenders so i have a small proposal tha has been bandied around before so im not claiming credit for it

ok here goes any trainer outside the top 5 after week 5 can ask any top 5 trainer for access to any FILLY/MARE

or just the 1000gns & oaks & top female sprinter

top 5 trainers have access to nothing

i am happy for this to happen its a matter if everyone else does just depends if it can be policed properly (leon)

ok thats it now gonna put me fingers in me ears while i get shouted at

I wouldn't mind uploading some of my horses for people to use. I could give everyone the starters orders 6 version of Northern Dancer/Galileo

Not sure how other people would feel about it though.

Would any horses you bred from these mares be eligible for the league. If not, whats the point in making them available?

yes for the league thats why just mares got to let you do some of the work

Sorry Steve I don't think it's a good idea not saying it wouldn't help some trainers because it would but its also a short cut to get Good horse's don't get me wrong love to get my hands on yours and ghosts horse lol to breed with mine but to me it is cheating I don't work that hard on the breeding side if I wanted to be a top flat trainer I know what I would have to do i'm happy picking up the Lincoln plus I am sure it would the start of trainers swapping horse files.

Gray

Personally.....I want to try and get up there through my own breeding but that's just me.
As mentioned a few weeks ago - as long as each week there are low rated handicap races - at least one per day, this will help.
It's great having the classic races from around the world but horse racing is also about those battlers banging it out in the bush or midweek meetings.
I don't mind that there are about 8 or so trainers that will dominate the big ones - that's real life, really.
As long as the league caters for all - life will be good

no thats a very respectful answer which i kinda guessed was coming i also wouldnt want a leg up but can understand that people need to be entertained with thier own stables

Hey Jalupen, interesting idea in which you have given me a thought too.

I apologize if this has been mentioned before but what about a dedicated 3 or 4 races per week for "game bred" only horses in which newcomers may participate in if they haven't had much time to breed.

This would at least to some degree keep out the beasts of the league from those races and give those with limited breeding time to participate.

The game breds would also be free to participate in any race too with restrictions to their rating and maiden status of course..

Well the question then arises what if the top trainers also go down this route. I guess they can but then they would in most cases be uploading an inferior horse against their 20 limit count. And believe me when you only have a 20 limit horse count you try and put your best horses to cover all the distances.

We could open wk1 & wk2 with 3 maidens in each week and then move to handicaps along with maybe a listed and maybe a champion G3 event at the end.

To make the fields full we can say declare that 3 or 4 varying distances will be used at most so that way the new comer will focus on those distances. Say 1200m, 1600m, 2000m and 2400m only. Obviously this is open to discussion amendments.

As I said before game bred horse can also run in all races too.

Tele what are your thoughts??

John

surely this would not work as Mark has a detection system to find if other peoples horses are detected in the breeding

Why are we discussing this now surely the right time is after the season not 3 weeks in when nothing can be changed
now anyway.

I for one am all for new ideas but lets have a think tank and discussion after the season.

Also looking at a selfish point of view (which I Never ever do but brings up a good Point

I would be regarded as a top 5 trainer but am a million miles behind James Ghost and Steve in terms of winners and prizemoney
But you have all got there through hard work yet me being a top 5 trained would be barred from using others horses and would
end up in no mans land I think this idea opens up a whole can of worms anyway. & IMO a dangerous step what would stop 3 or 4
getting together outside of SO and breeding monsters between them (This went on before im told) in the good old days.

I dont think hard work should be punished IMO
But also there should be something for everyone and Sirius point about him been stuck in no mans land
with his horses been rated to high for handicaps and not good enough to challenge at high lever we need to look
at getting the lower level right but having a middle level too maybe listed races where Horses who have run in
Group races are not allowed to enter or even horses have finished in top 4 in group race not allowed.

All ideas to talk about after the season.
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As a trainer who probably has the worst horses in the league the pleasure for me is finding them a handicap to win.

I would get very bored running other players horses, and there would be no fun to it at all.

The only thing I would change, is maybe make all the handicaps 0-110 or 0-95.

The way the handicapping is at the moment horses don't go much lower than 70.

Even if a horse goes down to 65 it would still be in the handicap proper in a 0-95 race running off 7st 12 with the top weight getting 10st.

Some players are finding it difficult to place their horses rated 91-110, and if these were included in the handicaps then it would be more of a spectacle.

Races shouldn't be easy to win in the league.

If a horse can't win off 65 then it really shouldn't be in the league to start with.

We all want to see a league that is competitive and fair.

I think at the moment the league is about 90% sorted.

NB: Noticed Matts horse won 0-100 handicap for three year olds off 71 which was great to see, and shows a horse of that ability can win a competitive sprint.

Just my thoughts.

Very good points mate and agree with you

Spot on this.

I agree with Steve. Its pretty boring running other peoples horses. Everyone has their own goals, but not everyone wants to win the league. Personally I want 1 group 1 win on the flat, and to challenge for the Nh title.

Doing it with other peoples horses is not an achievement for me.

Also there is the danger of cliques. People sharing horses with their friends and excluding others.

Agreed, those that remember way back we used to have the donate and draft where the best 5/10 would put their horses up and would be delegated to the lower trainers in a draft. Admittedly this did get me my first ever winner but it didn't feel right! Then we had the whole top 3 sharing horses to breed debacle... The league is very much on the right track right now and long may it last.

ok so thats a resounding no (which speaks volumes for peoples integrity) was just an idea for next season