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akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Handicaps and distance rules pjrhodes1970 wrote: Final Distance Rules A Horse can race 2f either side of its maiden run examples below Horse A races in a 5 Furlong Maiden is allowed to race at 5F 6F 7F Horse B races in a 6 Furlong Maiden is allowed to race at 5F 6F 7F 8F Horse C races in a 7 Furlong Maiden is allowed to race at 5F 6F 7F 8F 9F Horse D races in a 1 mile maiden is allowed to race at 6F 7F 8F 9F 10F Horse E races in a 1 mile 1f mile maiden is allowed to race at 7F 8F 9F 10F 11F Horse F races in a 1 mile 2f furlong mile maiden is allowed to race at 8F 9F 10F 11F 12F Horse G races in a 1 mile 3f mile maiden is allowed to race at 9F 10F 11F 12F 13F Horse H races in a 1 mile 4f mile maiden is allowed to race at 10F 11F 12F 13F 14F Horse I races in a 1 mile 5f mile maiden is allowed to race at 11F 12F 13F 14F 15F Horse J races in a 1 mile 6f mile maiden is allowed to race at 12F 13F 14F 15F 16F Horse K races in a 1 mile 7f mile maiden is allowed to race at 13F 14F 15F 16F 17F Horse L races in a 2 mile mile maiden is allowed to race at 14F 15F 16F 17F 18F Horse M races in a 2 mile 1f mile maiden is allowed to race at 15F 16F 17F 18F 19F Horse N races in a 2 mile 2f mile maiden is allowed to race at 16F 17F 18F 19F 20F Horse O races in a 2 mile 3f mile maiden is allowed to race at 17F 18F 19F 20F Horse P races in a 2 mile 4f mile maiden is allowed to race at 18F 19F 20F[/color] If you have any questions dont hesitiate to get in contact with me Just doing some thinking about this in case my horses are donkeys and I end up having to contest handicaps and listed races . How many runs must I have before I am allowed to race in a handicap. Could I enter a horse in a handicap after just 1 run? As to the distance rules. Let's say I have a horse that can run anywhere from 6-8f well but will never ever last 10f. So I run it in a 10f races and it tanks because it's just too far (especially seeing as the ground conditions are just wrong for it too!). Then I run it in a 8f race and it's going to be very well handicapped. Did anyone consider this scenario when writing the handicap rules? Just thinking .
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:19 pm

pjrhodes1970 Group 1 winner Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland	Re: Handicaps and distance rules correct me if i am wrong i think you need 2 runs to get a mark dont think you need to worry about that though mate
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:21 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules pjrhodes1970 wrote: correct me if i am wrong i think you need 2 runs to get a mark dont think you need to worry about that though mate Heh PJ you never know.. but just thinking about it the system is wide open to some abuses imo. Two runs is even worse. So the horse likes 6-8f. I run at 10f first and then 12f second. That's even better for my handicap for the big 8f race!
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:22 pm

pjrhodes1970 Group 1 winner Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland	Re: Handicaps and distance rules no its best performance from 2 runs eg horse 1 runs in 10f race places 11th then horse 1 runs in 12f race places 5th best result is in 12f race so therefore allowed to race at 10F 11F 12F 13F 14F in handicaps
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:27 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules That's better but it still gives me a good chance to get a really low rating by running in 2 10f races when I am really aiming for the 8 especially if I can find some unfavorable conditions .
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:33 pm

pjrhodes1970 Group 1 winner Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland	Re: Handicaps and distance rules dont worry the race stewards will be watching
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:40 pm

leonvr Group 1 winner Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2485	Re: Handicaps and distance rules We can do this Horse suffers a penalty if running in a handicap if the distance is 2f different from maiden runnings. If 2f difference I think 10 points on handicap mark. But we could make this bigger Just so people wont' be tempted to cheat You would need to run in a non handicap( Maiden, listed or group) 1f away from handicap distance to avoid penalty
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:41 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules I don't know what's best.. but something to consider before we get to the final G1 handicaps and someone wins and then is DQ'd for gaming the handicap system?
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:46 pm

leonvr Group 1 winner Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2485	Re: Handicaps and distance rules There won't be disqualifications. But if everyone is happy we will implement the penalties for all races 12f and below. The stayers and for that matter NH will run to form 2f away from distance so they ok. But 6f and a mile for example will cause major differences in performance
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:49 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules leonvr wrote: There won't be disqualifications. But if everyone is happy we will implement the penalties for all races 12f and below. The stayers and for that matter NH will run to form 2f away from distance so they ok. But 6f and a mile for example will cause major differences in performance Why 12? And will it work in reverse for a horse that runs 10f and then 12f for the handicap
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:54 pm

leonvr Group 1 winner Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2485	Re: Handicaps and distance rules yes will work in reverse. We can make it 10f as a lot of 10f horses get 12f and most of my 14f horses get 12f. In fact quite a few milers get 10f. Open for discussion. Whatever people and Paul want. For NH it works well as horses are more versatile with regards to trip
Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:00 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules I presume the 2f difference is hardcoded into TOM and that it's easier to just have to code for 1 blanket distance as opposed to 1f up to 8 and 2f above that. My personal take and I haven't given this a lot of thought is that 8f is the right cut off. If you want to race at 8 then either race at 7/9f or take a hit if you've raced at 6/10f. 9f (or whatever the cutoff is) is a problem then. My take would be 8f or up to 11f without any penalties but as you say it's up for discussion.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:07 pm

East Pier Whitby Group 1 winner Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:28 pm Posts: 1132	Re: Handicaps and distance rules Basically the distance rules are a pile of crap - put in place by players who already know they will be abusing the system. The penalty points won't mean a thing. Get a false mark win a big handicap - job done. Move on to group racing. At the end of this season I will prove what I am saying is true by publishing a top stables performance for each of their runners. Until this practice is removed, the league will NEVER be as good as it should be. The only system that will work is the one I proposed, but oh no that would never do - they couldn't manipulate the handicap system in their favour so out it went. The truth is players know EXACTLY which distance their horse is BEST at, and will run in anything but that distance in the maidens. Good luck to the new players - you are going to need it. Feel free to throw abuse (I won't be responding) but you all know I AM RIGHT.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:08 pm

pjrhodes1970 Group 1 winner Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland	Re: Handicaps and distance rules any distance rule is open to cheating but you have to have a distance rule just need to keep an eye on it I for one would not abuse it i have all my horses in maidens at there right distance or 1f off it
Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:11 pm

akhc Group 2 winner Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm Posts: 860	Re: Handicaps and distance rules East Pier Whitby wrote: Basically the distance rules are a pile of crap - put in place by players who already know they will be abusing the system. The penalty points won't mean a thing. Get a false mark win a big handicap - job done. Move on to group racing. At the end of this season I will prove what I am saying is true by publishing a top stables performance for each of their runners. Until this practice is removed, the league will NEVER be as good as it should be. The only system that will work is the one I proposed, but oh no that would never do - they couldn't manipulate the handicap system in their favour so out it went. The truth is players know EXACTLY which distance their horse is BEST at, and will run in anything but that distance in the maidens. Good luck to the new players - you are going to need it. Feel free to throw abuse (I won't be responding) but you all know I AM RIGHT. Bit cynical but perhaps some truth though I would argue if I knew my horse was good enough for good racing why bother with the handicap? It's not like the kudos from winning one is huge IMO.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:14 pm

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