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Author:  Anadin [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Realistic League or not ?
I have been thinking, the league as a whole is great and we all try and make it as realistic as possible, weather, handicaps, secretary's, races etc..... But when it comes to actual breeding we take it right back to a simple game. i.e saving before end of year, transferring of Mares/Stallions to have the same horses breeding in several save games, reminds me of saving FM (football manager) before the CL final in-case you don't win the first time :lol:

Maybe horses that enter the league, are bred as in real life... i.e Stallion 1 and Mare 1 can only produce one 2,3,4,5yo for that league season, depending on what age you want to enter obviously. Stallion 1 can obviously breed again but not with the same Mare. I don't know, but I am sure (I could be wrong) that we have more than one, 3yo etc. in the league that has the same Mum & Dad, which as we know is impossible in real-life. If we want the realism in the league then maybe this is the way forward.

I hope I have explained this.... and look forward to your thoughts.....

Stu
Author:  akhc [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
I don't think it would really work.

The thing is this isn't realistic anyway. And I don't know about you but I breed all over the place. For example in my team I have 2 5f sprinters - Domnu and Gerra. Domnu is actually Gerra's maternal grandmare if you know what I mean. So it's even worse than the example you have where two sibs are on the same team from the same broodmare at the same time.

Realism only goes so far and in this case I don't think it's workable. The only way to do this would be to do this going forwards for the next league and that would mean trainers would have an extra headache of having to keep track of which pairs you've bred. No offence but when you have nearly 800 horses (like myself) it gets a little hard to keep track of lines.
Author:  pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
Anadin i am not against going back to So4 were transferring horse was not possible
it would make it less time consuming
and i think it would make it a more even lge
i know once i work on one distance and get to a high level i then transfer those in and cross with different distances
eg transfer in best 1m4f cross with 5f sprinters to come up with high quality milers
as i say it would even things up in my opinion

I think it was the experienced Lge trainers who asked Mark to put in the transfer system
i would not mind seeing the back of it as i say alot less work
but thats only my opinion and i am only 1 trainer with this point of view
Author:  akhc [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
I don't think it would make any difference Paul. The key to improving horses is simply finding good game horses. The better trainers simply are better at doing that. If I had to play the game without transferring horses in I would still find those horses quicker and better than most trainers in the league. Slowing trainers down in finding good horses to breed with would simply allow me to widen the gap between myself and whilst most are trying to find the good game breds I'd be away breeding the next best thing.
Author:  pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
akhc wrote:
I don't think it would make any difference Paul. The key to improving horses is simply finding good game horses. The better trainers simply are better at doing that. If I had to play the game without transferring horses in I would still find those horses quicker and better than most trainers in the league. Slowing trainers down in finding good horses to breed with would simply allow me to widen the gap between myself and whilst most are trying to find the good game breds I'd be away breeding the next best thing.


i am mainly talking about SO6 when we all start from scratch again
i suspect that so6 could be very different

SO5 you obviously have a healthy lead on the rest fair play to you Andy i think you have produced some amazing horses
And as in real life i love watching class acts and you have a stable full of them you are a class act of a trainer
i think Faet Ping is another who i am totally in ore of just a machine
one of the few challengers you have for UKRA Horse of the Year
Author:  pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
Personally i am not even going to attempt to even try & catch you up
i will prob mainly concentrate on one distance for next season
i am thinking of 3yo Milers try and close the gap a bit on you
as you know its been the most wide open distance this season
so will be just working on my newmarket milers
maybe have a few handicappers next term
but a smaller team for sure
Author:  simpleminds [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
I would also like the transferring between games stopped it makes it harder for trainers like myself who only have 3 games on the go one which I am still on day 1 the irish jumps game.
andy and others have put a lot of work into the league team I suspect not sure some trainers have loads of games going at the same time just for breeding it would like paul said make it fairer for the league especially the flat side the jumps is pretty open and the top races are spread about andy dominates the flat scene.

I wont have a flat team next season I cant be bothered to try and compete with other trainers I will always be behind these trainers as I don't like breeding just for the league and to compete with you and andy paul I would have to breed like ten flat seasons a week.

just two weeks to the end of the season I hope we don't have that a big break would want another to start by September as I don't want a break over the Xmas period and would want it all done by then so I will breed for the new jumps season from the end of this month until august.
Author:  pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
simpleminds wrote:
I would also like the transferring between games stopped it makes it harder for trainers like myself who only have 3 games on the go one which I am still on day 1 the irish jumps game.
andy and others have put a lot of work into the league team I suspect not sure some trainers have loads of games going at the same time just for breeding it would like paul said make it fairer for the league especially the flat side the jumps is pretty open and the top races are spread about andy dominates the flat scene.

I wont have a flat team next season I cant be bothered to try and compete with other trainers I will always be behind these trainers as I don't like breeding just for the league and to compete with you and andy paul I would have to breed like ten flat seasons a week.

just two weeks to the end of the season I hope we don't have that a big break would want another to start by September as I don't want a break over the Xmas period and would want it all done by then so I will breed for the new jumps season from the end of this month until august.


me and leon were talking about september
Author:  simpleminds [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
pjrhodes1970 wrote:
simpleminds wrote:
I would also like the transferring between games stopped it makes it harder for trainers like myself who only have 3 games on the go one which I am still on day 1 the irish jumps game.
andy and others have put a lot of work into the league team I suspect not sure some trainers have loads of games going at the same time just for breeding it would like paul said make it fairer for the league especially the flat side the jumps is pretty open and the top races are spread about andy dominates the flat scene.

I wont have a flat team next season I cant be bothered to try and compete with other trainers I will always be behind these trainers as I don't like breeding just for the league and to compete with you and andy paul I would have to breed like ten flat seasons a week.

just two weeks to the end of the season I hope we don't have that a big break would want another to start by September as I don't want a break over the Xmas period and would want it all done by then so I will breed for the new jumps season from the end of this month until august.


me and leon were talking about september



Great minds think alike plus Grand Theft Auto V comes out in September so I will be busy pinching peoples cars and drug running while driving around listening to 80's music on the car radio for a couple months lol.
Author:  ghostzapper74 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
I'd like to stop the transfer of horses but if it's still there then so be it, but i'd like to have a better breeding system that's more open so u can breed with the computer horses more than one season. I'd also would like the sales to be better so u can see the horse's breeding and get a better idea of what u buying. I think if u stop the transfer of horses then u horses need to be able to breed longer, after 6 I stop breeding from them because u don't get many/if any good horses.
Author:  pjrhodes1970 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
ghostzapper74 wrote:
I'd like to stop the transfer of horses but if it's still there then so be it, but i'd like to have a better breeding system that's more open so u can breed with the computer horses more than one season. I'd also would like the sales to be better so u can see the horse's breeding and get a better idea of what u buying. I think if u stop the transfer of horses then u horses need to be able to breed longer, after 6 I stop breeding from them because u don't get many/if any good horses.

agree with you

if you find one monster

you can transfer him in several times and he can produce monsters at several distances

i feel a poll coming
Author:  SuperCat [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
ghostzapper74 wrote:
I'd like to stop the transfer of horses but if it's still there then so be it, but i'd like to have a better breeding system that's more open so u can breed with the computer horses more than one season. I'd also would like the sales to be better so u can see the horse's breeding and get a better idea of what u buying. I think if u stop the transfer of horses then u horses need to be able to breed longer, after 6 I stop breeding from them because u don't get many/if any good horses.


These are more improvements for the game rather than the league. The problem with banning the transfer system is how then do you prove that nobody has used it? I would hate to see it go because I breed in the flat game, then transfer the best over to a jumps game. Nothing to do with the league, all for my own pleasure within the game. I feel like sometimes people forget that some people play the game for the game rather than for the league. The league is important and has been good fun this time around, but it is not what the game should revolve around.
Author:  ghostzapper74 [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
SuperCat wrote:
ghostzapper74 wrote:
I'd like to stop the transfer of horses but if it's still there then so be it, but i'd like to have a better breeding system that's more open so u can breed with the computer horses more than one season. I'd also would like the sales to be better so u can see the horse's breeding and get a better idea of what u buying. I think if u stop the transfer of horses then u horses need to be able to breed longer, after 6 I stop breeding from them because u don't get many/if any good horses.


These are more improvements for the game rather than the league. The problem with banning the transfer system is how then do you prove that nobody has used it? I would hate to see it go because I breed in the flat game, then transfer the best over to a jumps game. Nothing to do with the league, all for my own pleasure within the game. I feel like sometimes people forget that some people play the game for the game rather than for the league. The league is important and has been good fun this time around, but it is not what the game should revolve around.


Cat why do u breed in the flat game then transfer them to the jumps, are they better horse's. I noticed that when I tried to breed in the jumps game that they looked good ( statistically speaking ) but when I tried them against the flat horses in Ck that they could never beat them, it put me right of breeding jump horses. So now I just trail my flat horses for the jumps game.
I'd like it if u breed in jumps mode u get a better jumps bar than if u breed in flat mode, it would even it out more. Just my take.
Author:  Anadin [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
SuperCat wrote:
ghostzapper74 wrote:
I'd like to stop the transfer of horses but if it's still there then so be it, but i'd like to have a better breeding system that's more open so u can breed with the computer horses more than one season. I'd also would like the sales to be better so u can see the horse's breeding and get a better idea of what u buying. I think if u stop the transfer of horses then u horses need to be able to breed longer, after 6 I stop breeding from them because u don't get many/if any good horses.


These are more improvements for the game rather than the league. The problem with banning the transfer system is how then do you prove that nobody has used it? I would hate to see it go because I breed in the flat game, then transfer the best over to a jumps game. Nothing to do with the league, all for my own pleasure within the game. I feel like sometimes people forget that some people play the game for the game rather than for the league. The league is important and has been good fun this time around, but it is not what the game should revolve around.


Cat, totally agree that there is more improvements required (outside of the league)... My main issue was "The League" and for us to monitor the cloning issues, not in regard to the transfer etc of horses, I use it like everyone else (well most people) for Flat to Jumps and to sell at the beginning of a new game to increase funds.
Author:  SuperCat [ Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Realistic League or not ?
ghostzapper74 wrote:

Cat why do u breed in the flat game then transfer them to the jumps, are they better horse's. I noticed that when I tried to breed in the jumps game that they looked good ( statistically speaking ) but when I tried them against the flat horses in Ck that they could never beat them, it put me right of breeding jump horses. So now I just trail my flat horses for the jumps game.
I'd like it if u breed in jumps mode u get a better jumps bar than if u breed in flat mode, it would even it out more. Just my take.


I find I can skip through the flat and ignore any bad results more meaning that I can get my 2/3yo and transfer them quicker. Also the better game stallions are almost never gelded on the flat so you have a better chance starting out. Also the jumps game makes you wait 3 years for new horses.

It takes me a few weeks to get through a jumps season, because I like to analyse and watch the races. But it can take me about half an hour to skip through a flat season for the breeding and transfer them into my jumps game.
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