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				 Finknottle 
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					 Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 27
				 
				 
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				  Grand National horses ... question, please.  
					
						As I understand the 'National', the most suitable horses are thus. They are supposedly 2m 6f horses with stamina and speed. I have had two runners who both get 3mls plus. However, after the race my jockeys tell me that they did not get the trip. For the purpose of the game, can anyone enlighten me as to the parameters for 'National' horses? 
					
  
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			| Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:04 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 Mikey1892 
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					 Joined: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:00 am Posts: 493
				 
				 
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						 i dont understand that theory, for a national horse in the game id be looking for somehting that wanted 3m4 atleast and preferably wins over 3m and 4m, these types to me seem few and far between but had a few national winner based like this and never had 1 that wanted less than 3m altho am sure it maybe possible. 
					
  
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				 exxplozion 
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					 Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:35 pm Posts: 2117
				 
				 
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						 I have a few 4m horses and a couple of 4m 4f horses none yet have won the National for me. 
					
						 _________________ A dog may be man's best friend, but the horse wrote history. 
					
  
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			| Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:56 am | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 Finknottle 
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					 Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:24 am Posts: 27
				 
				 
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				  National horses  
					
						My information is taken from real life. Some yeras ago in the local paper the prerequisites for a 'national' horse were that it was a genuine 2m6f horse which should also have good stamina and good speed. As this is only a game, I am thinking that adhering to the above criteria would not be possible within the game. I shall now search for a few 4milers. 
					
  
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				 Mikey1892 
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						 in previous versions of SO it would of been near impossible to get a 2m6f horse to stay 4m4f but now with horses having more flexibility it cud be possible though unlikely or irregular though 3m 3m4 horses do win regularly as 4m horses im yet to come across a 4m4 horse though. 
					
  
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				 Bill Seiko 
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						 I have  got  2  4mile  4  furlong  horses in  my  stable  but  when  running  them over  4 miles  the  jockey  said it  was  too  far????.
 So I have  no idea  about  the  national.
 One  did  get  round  in  9th  and  the  jockey said it needed  further after  other  jockey  said  4  miles  was  too  far.
 I  cannot make  sense  of  it  all.
 
 Bill 
					
  
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			| Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:08 pm | 
			
				
					 
					
					 
				  
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				 Mikey1892 
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						 depends how horses are ridden, how old are they usually they stay better when they get a bit older how much weight did they carry? may just not of been good enough one time and a lower weight helping it see out the distance better. 
					
  
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				 Weeble 
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					 Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:34 am Posts: 616
				 
				 
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						 I did have a horse that came second in the Grand National that was an average horse at best. It had little speed but stamina in abundance and loved soft ground. That particular National was run on heavy ground and it was beaten by two lengths (and gaining).
 The following year it came a distant fifth on good ground. 
					
						 _________________ "Sometimes I am so sarcastic you have to ask if I am being sarcastic or not."
 (Mary Lynn Rajskub, 2000) 
					
  
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				 HurricaneRun 
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					 Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:12 pm Posts: 2134 Location: Newcastle England
				 
				 
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						 yeh you want your national horse to be experienced, a bt older. you will have 4mile horses who at 4, 5 dont want to run further than 3 miles!! 
					
						 _________________ HURRICANE FLY!!!!!!!GREATEST OF ALL TIME 
					
  
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				 Laurelracing 
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					 Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:19 pm Posts: 548 Location: Western Canada
				 
				 
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						 most GN horses are 3m4f + usually 8yo or older
 
 and most are in the daily sales for little money 
 
 as they aint gonna win no grade races...
 
 this is what i look out for and im told im quite good at finding stayers
 
 or National horses as they call them..
 
 this will help you find them just stick to the criteria above ok
 
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 Paul(LR) 
					
  
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				 SuperCat 
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						 Just to add to this. The old theory was that a National horse should be a horse who wants 2m4f because it would be quick enough to get itself out of trouble and hopefully stay as they went a bit slower in the National. But now with modern training methods, the fact that horses are so much quicker, the fact that the course has changed and the fact that horses go faster in the race this theory has been completely disproved, a 2m4f horse COULD win the National but it's got no better chance than a horse who wants 4m4f.
 
 As for the game they are few and far between, I usually find they're horses who I can only really run in the National because they're not fast enough for anything else. 
					
  
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				 redden88 
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					 Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:27 am Posts: 8 Location: Co Durham
				 
				 
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						 just thought id put my bit in and let u no i won it with a horse called aludra it runs over 4m and only races 4 times a year it is 9yr it was on a rating of 96 and had never won a race before so i think it just goes t show anything can win it really
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				 nick_driver 
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					 Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 2:07 pm Posts: 1256 Location: Redhill
				 
				 
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						I always look for 7-8yo with a 4m, 4m4f distance.... Just started a new game and came across this beauty within a few seasons, just bought for a minimal amount at the after racing sales, can't remember how much but it was cheap! My own little Red Rum!!! In 7 Nationals, Won 3, 2nd once and fell 3 times! If only he learn't to jump earlier!!! Also bucks the rubbish horse wins the national, a Cesarewitch and Doncaster Cup says so! Suppose I just got lucky only bought it one season in!
 
 
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				 jupiterjimmy 
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						 I find that its best to get a top class flat horse that stays 2 mile 2+ and also stays 4 mile + over fences. They dont usually see out the 4 mile 4 trip of the Aintree Grand National until they are 8. I think that 10 year olds are best for the Grand National.
 
 My best National horse was a horse I bought in auction called Paco Boy who had won the Melbourne Cup twice. He went on to win the Ascot Gold Cup 3 times for me. Since he was a gelding I put him over fences as an 8 year old for the first time. His record in the Grand National was F112314. 
 
 I may have another one in the making. I bought a 2 year old called Enviromental. Didnt run him until he was 4. He was unplaced in a maiden and then won 4 handicaps in a row. I put him in the deep end in the Ascot Gold Cup and he won it and he followed up the following season. This season he won the Cheltenham Gold Cup on his 3rd run over fences. Hoping to win his 3rd Ascot Gold Cup in a row and then next season I hope to run him in the National. 
					
  
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				 pjrhodes1970 
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						 just won the national with 4m bred horse 
					
  
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