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Author: | Rickydarkblue [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Breeding Query |
Hello Everyone, I'm ricky and a new player to starters orders. Been playing since around Christmas and played a couple of flat games. Have played one to about 10 seasons so have had a couple of generations of breeding with mixed results. Firstly in my original season I got a pretty sweet original 6F sprinter called Peter Pole, who won me about 10 grade 1s in his 2 seasons before I retired to stud aged 5. Since retiring his stats have slowly detoriated over the years and my first question is does this carry over into his breeding, it appears his offspring aren't as good in the more recent seasons as opposed to his early foals. This wouldn't tie into genetics as he should pass on the same genes regardless of age but I'm not sure if this implemented into the game, if it is not then what is the ideal breeding age for stations. Secondly is it worth me just keeping 1 top class stallion and breeding him with all the good mares or should I look to build up an army of stallions and match them with mares who seem to suit. Peter Pole was a 5 and 6 furlong specialist, If I breed him with a stayer the average breeding is about 1.4 or 1.3 but they are usually terrible, and I just get rid of them at the end of their 3 year old season. What is the best Strategy to breed to 1m4 horse as if like to get a derby winner under my belt, I am dominating the 1mile and below divisions but can't get anything decent over 1m2...any tips? Is absolute potential the be all and end all when assessing new 2 year olds?? I've put a few straight to auction if they don't make at least 70% pot still WhenI get them, is this the right way to go or should I hold on to the. For a year or two and see if they improve. Any other breeding tips would be appreciated, I'm struggling to get any top class youngsters out. Thirdly, is it ok for Peter Pole to mate with his children? Will Inbreeding cause problems with the horses?? |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Rickydarkblue wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm ricky and a new player to starters orders. Been playing since around Christmas and played a couple of flat games. Have played one to about 10 seasons so have had a couple of generations of breeding with mixed results. Firstly in my original season I got a pretty sweet original 6F sprinter called Peter Pole, who won me about 10 grade 1s in his 2 seasons before I retired to stud aged 5. Since retiring his stats have slowly detoriated over the years and my first question is does this carry over into his breeding, it appears his offspring aren't as good in the more recent seasons as opposed to his early foals. This wouldn't tie into genetics as he should pass on the same genes regardless of age but I'm not sure if this implemented into the game, if it is not then what is the ideal breeding age for stations. Secondly is it worth me just keeping 1 top class stallion and breeding him with all the good mares or should I look to build up an army of stallions and match them with mares who seem to suit. Peter Pole was a 5 and 6 furlong specialist, If I breed him with a stayer the average breeding is about 1.4 or 1.3 but they are usually terrible, and I just get rid of them at the end of their 3 year old season. What is the best Strategy to breed to 1m4 horse as if like to get a derby winner under my belt, I am dominating the 1mile and below divisions but can't get anything decent over 1m2...any tips? Is absolute potential the be all and end all when assessing new 2 year olds?? I've put a few straight to auction if they don't make at least 70% pot still WhenI get them, is this the right way to go or should I hold on to the. For a year or two and see if they improve. Any other breeding tips would be appreciated, I'm struggling to get any top class youngsters out. Thirdly, is it ok for Peter Pole to mate with his children? Will Inbreeding cause problems with the horses?? Welcome Ricky Key thing in Breeding is to mix horses of differing distances I recommend inbreeding it has worked for me many times infact you an come up with freakishly talented horses doing that. Once a stallion or Mare gets past 10 in the barn i usually retire them as they can produce a mixed bag after a while they produce more rubbish but don't worry about the stats bars deteriorating in barn this will not effect the offspring. My recommendation is you have good sprint breeding lines and you are looking for that derby horse look for mares that you DONT own in the breeding barn get you sprinter to cover 1m6 up to 2m4 Mares look for the mares that have a serious career strike rate you get some with stats like raced 10 times won 8 races and 4 g1 also cover every Mare over 1m6 up to 2m4 that costs over £100,000 to cover the more it costs to cover them the more chance they will produce better horses Breeding with gamebred mares can be very hit or miss but all you need is to produce one good mare or stallion and it will begin your breeding empire over that distance. You will see which ones to keep you will get alot of rubbish breeding with gamebreds but you do get the odd few that are very good as stated you only need to produce a decent mare and stallion and that will be the start of your empire. ![]() As for the stat bars Potential is by far the most important what too look out for in inspecting your 2yos is you want the potential bar to be mostly dark green the above image explains this Horses with alot of light green very rarely if ever fill there potential to fully dark green i usually dump these horses that have under 75% of There potential as light green the more dark the more precocious the better. if something has alot of light green bu the stats bars look strong send it to stud as you can see with the image above this horse has very strong stats but i would never race it as he will never fill out his potential to dark green but is a brilliant stallion in the making Sp Dont be scared to send unraced 2yo to the barn they can surprise you what they produce I Think i have covered it all best of luck get breeding with them Mare stayers it might take you a little while but that Derby win is around the corner |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
An Idea of what to look for in breeding barn also meant to say same for gamebred stallions dont restrict your self send some of your sprint mares to gamebred stallions over 1m6 you can see below i have shortlisted a few you would look for in your game the criteria you are looking for ![]() |
Author: | SuperCat [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Wow Paul, I can't believe you'd retire that horse!! Most of mine look like that when they're 2yo and have full potential by 4/5 and a lot have more than enough ability to win a Derby/Oaks. But I guess we're playing for different things! |
Author: | SiriusChill [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Welcome Ricky Early on if you have the money to burn breed your big man on campus to every mare you can in order of breeding fee. I have seen plenty of great foals come from sub-par looking mares. And when all those foals hit the barn you sell the deadwood and pretty soon you will have more money than you will ever need. One thing I have noticed over the years when breeding to non-owned mares in the breeding shed in the US game. The best foals (highest potential) a lot of times come from mares who win Grade/Group 1's at 3 years of age. Also I have had a lot of great foals come from mares who win a bunch of the higher grade seven furlong feature races in my schedule. I used to not inbreed for realism sake but that went out the window with SO6. |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
SuperCat wrote: Wow Paul, I can't believe you'd retire that horse!! Most of mine look like that when they're 2yo and have full potential by 4/5 and a lot have more than enough ability to win a Derby/Oaks. But I guess we're playing for different things! I Never export horses that dont have the full dark green bar hence dumping anything with alot of light green (unreached potential) I Notice a horse will get rid of the light green after having 5 runs if by then they still have light green potential they will always have it and never reach full reached potential i have tested this many times also horses with unreached potential don't tend to be much good in CK Ricky if you have no future intentions of entering the online league i can post my best derby/oaks horses for you to breed with BUT it does mean you would never be allowed to enter any horse with my horses in there lineage (Online League) Let me know |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
I raced that horse 6 times and you can see his reached potential has not really moved ![]() He will be heading to the barn though |
Author: | SuperCat [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
pjrhodes1970 wrote: SuperCat wrote: Wow Paul, I can't believe you'd retire that horse!! Most of mine look like that when they're 2yo and have full potential by 4/5 and a lot have more than enough ability to win a Derby/Oaks. But I guess we're playing for different things! I Never export horses that dont have the full dark green bar hence dumping anything with alot of light green (unreached potential) I Notice a horse will get rid of the light green after having 5 runs if by then they still have light green potential they will always have it and never reach full reached potential i have tested this many times also horses with unreached potential don't tend to be much good in CK Ricky if you have no future intentions of entering the online league i can post my best derby/oaks horses for you to breed with BUT it does mean you would never be allowed to enter any horse with my horses in there lineage (Online League) Let me know Maybe it's a different in the types of horses we've bred with. Mine will reach full potential (darker green) by 4/5, a few take until they're 6 to reach it when they have potential such as that in your first picture. I would be keeping the horse you posted for racing. But then I haven't exported a single horse yet and I've recently had to restart due to my computer having a complete freak out and having to delete SO from it. Also ever since breeding started I've always preferred later maturing horses and I don't think I've ever had a 2yo runner, let alone winner in the league. |
Author: | Rickydarkblue [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Thanks so much for the replies men, will have a rattle at this next time i get some time off and the missus is at work!! Have managed to get a good few G1 5/6/7F/1m winners in my breeding barn now so will match them up with some longer distance yokes and hopefully that Derby/Oaks double isnt far away!! PJ if you could send me those that would be great, ive no intention of entering the league at the minute, dont have enough time on my hands and not really good enough at the game i doubt!! Just another question about nuturing these 2 and 3 year olds...How many times should i race my 2 yo's, ive been trying to keep them to maybe 4 or 5 races for the sprinters and maybe just 1,2 or even 0 for the longer distance ones, is this right or should i stick the 1m3/4/5/6 guys in some 2yo sprints just to get them some experience or just stick them out to grass for the year, or keep them in training?? The sprinters i maybe put out only once before i get to Ascot, is this ok or if im going for these Group Races should they have had a couple of runs before hand? Also does running them on the gallops have any effect on their development etc Sorry for all the noob questions, just trying to get a strangle hold on this!! |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
run the 2yo as many times as you want just make sure there condition & fitness is above 90% on day of the race i have raced a 2yo 15 times or more in a season yes that was pushing it you can easily run the 8 - 10 times No the gallops does nothing just shows who your best horse is on that day i used it for trialing 2yo to decide which go where I will put them horses together for you hope to have them posted by tonight |
Author: | pjrhodes1970 [ Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Ok here are a nice batch of 1m4 horses >> https://www.mediafire.com/?xbw79k732186h6k This is a winrar file just needs unzipping into your saves folder make sure slot 8 is free simply download and unzip into saves folder open game run game in slot 8 retire each horse to game pool hey presto they will be in your transfer pool to bring into your game Enjoy and let me know how you get on with them |
Author: | Rickydarkblue [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Breeding Query |
Thanks PJ have just imported them, will have a crack this afternoon and let you know how i get on!! |
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