As I've mentioned before I been an avid player since Stable Masters. However, I like to confirm that I've requested as have many, many others for improvements in breeding, auctions, realism in general. I'm not saying 3D hasn't been requested in the past but to deny the fact that other requests have been made is blinkered to say the very least.



I've no idea what the price of FIFA has to do with anything but thanks? Microsoft Word 2013 (non-commercial) is £69.99 inclusive of VAT. I'm unsure what improvements there are from previous versions of Word?

I purchased the game with the nagging doubt it was going to be a prettier version SO5 (concerns I, amongst others have voiced) but since the release of SO5 I had hoped in S06 we would see at least some improvements in general gameplay. I like the game and would recommend people purchase it, but I just know it could be better.

All I see is you complaining about how 'disappointing' the game is, when you haven't even parted with any money or played the full version. 3D graphics was requested 3 years ago maybe earlier viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5145&hilit=3d+graphics . You may forget that while several thousand will play Starters Orders, only a few hundred play the league. Therefore, whose wishes is Mark most likely to cater for first?

Yes, auctions were mentioned but at a much later date, as were your breeding ideas, which I imagine were no earlier than last year. I imagine at this point Mark was fully committed to 3D. I'm not saying the breeding side shouldn't be improved if possible, I'm just questioning why you appear to be angry with Mark for not addressing what would have appeared to be the wishes of the minority and thus excluding the wishes of the majority.

Plus Mark may have made an executive decision by himself that the SO series needs bringing forward and that the best way to do this and attract new players by putting on the same level as other games is 3D graphics. It may not have all been based on what has been said on the forum, but instead thoughts for the future, and getting more people on-board. A lot of new players nowadays might be more likely to buy the game if it is 3D. He's got to run a viable business model as well as meeting the wishes of a minority.

I'm not saying other improvements haven't been voiced, but Mark also has to think about attracting a wider audience as well. Prospective new players aren't going to be blown away by the prospect of an improved breeding system, but the idea of 3D graphics coupled with what is already a proven gameplay system may entice them in. Again, how much time do you think it takes to knock together a 3D race system- a couple of weeks. Its taken Mark over a year with the help of another guy so I don't really know what else you would expect. Improvements to other sides of the game will certainly come in the future. 3D graphics was not my main request, and I would rather have seen some more gameplay improvements, but I understand why things are the way they are, and I don't necessarily think you do.

Well actually I moaned about the breeding the day SO5 was released!! Maybe I should have done it before it was released. I can clearly see that it is now MY fault that this hasn't been improved. So anyone that is disappointed by this should vent their frustration, anger, dissppoint at me as it solely my fault for not requesting an improvement in the breeding for SO6 BEFORE SO5 was released. My god I really am so stupid and shortsighted at times.

Ubar I bow down to you and appreciate everything you teach me each day. For you the world is a better place. Stand down Ghandi, Mandela, King as you are all impostors compared to this guy. What a hero.

On a side note if you do have feelings for me I can tell you now it isn't going to happen. Hope I've let you down gently.


Should I ask for improvements in SO8 now?? Or is it already too late?

I was just pointing out that people are moaning about a game they feel is only an update to so5 and paying £20(the same price as so5) when people were paying £40 for fifa manager 14 when that was only an update to 13, so people should be glad is only £20-£25 and not £40 like fifa manager 14 was.

If two people are standing in a queue who gets served first? The fact remains that 3D was requested prior to improved breeding. You're just behaving like a spoilt child as you haven't got exactly what you wanted from the game. In fact, what's wrong with that? Why not ignore the fact that there are other people who play the game as well, who may want different things? Why not ignore the fact that Mark has to make money out of these games to make them worthwhile, and so needs to attract a larger customer base? If you're so bothered, go make your own game. Except I suspect you won't be able to, so just let Mark, who knows what he's doing, get on with it. It's his game, his project, he can do what he wants with it and take it in whatever direction he wants. He does listen to the people on here, but ultimately his decision is final and what you think about it being rubbish is largely irrelevant as there still lots of people out there that will be very happy to see new graphics. Mark probably has a list of improvements for the game to tick off, and I imagine 3D was at the top, and he wanted to get that ticked off. When he's finished that, he'll be able to move onto other things. You're moaning is not suddenly going to make him think 'Actually, I'm just going to forget about getting 3D graphics, which I've been working on for over a year, in full working order, and instead I'll concentrate on the breeding side of things because keithbeaky off the forums wants me to.'

Ubar you clearly said no one voiced improvements for breeding, auctions etc. Now you say they were voiced too late or by the minority. Whats your next factually incorrect statement going to be?

I agree that the graphics are a nice addition and also will attract a wider audience. But the gameplay has not changed in three versions of the game. The basics of the game are good but to not improve anything, somethings have actually gone backwards, in three versions is in imo poor. I can see your points of view and dont disagree with them but to say these had to happen at the cost of everything else is shortsighted and quite frankly ridiculous. No game should stand still and unfortunately the starters orders series has now for 5-6 years. Oh apart from the graphics.

I hope Mark can change the breeding side in 3-4 months but I dont think any of us are going to bet on it, do you.

To be honest- i played SO5 right up to the release date of 6. So i still enjoy 6 just as much.

But if im being critical, people are stating how expensive games like Fifa are. But don't forget they have to update databases for players etc, so they are not as fictionally based. I firmly believe more additions could have been made. Has anyone seen Jockey advice stating races to target yet? Little things like this seem that would make the game much improved arent there. I like the idea of the horse boxed etc.

Love the game but i loved it before the new release. I do think it couldve been improved a lot more.

I think you have Aspergers. You can not see anyone else's point of view.

Can you tell me what improvements Mark has made to the game since SO4? Apart from the graphics. Get in the real world. If this was reviewed by professionals it would not score very well. Oh and btw most of them cant make their own computer games either.

The "two people in queue" analogy is one of the must stupid things ive ever heard.

So if the first idea is the worst idea ever, it still goes in the game does it.

When did I say improvements for breeding were never mentioned. Every time I have acknowledged this. If you actually read my posts you would see that I too wanted gameplay improvements, but appreciate why 3D has been done first.

Saying I have aspergers? Wow, this is a brilliant way to back up any argument. Slightly ironic as well. This is your problem. Ultimately you are angry Mark hasn't included your exact idea within the game, are hinging your entire argument around it and know really you have no real grounding, so you just resort to petty insults every time.

Is the idea of 3D graphics the worst idea ever? No, its actually a perfectly valid suggestion, so the 'two people in a queue' analogy is perfectly applicable. Mark had a checklist of things to do. 3D was at the top. It took, rather understandably, a long time. People called for a new game release. Mark needs some way to fund the development of these games. He releases a new game with new graphics, with the potential for further improvements down the line. 3D has been done now, not much will have to change with it. Mark could have spent longer on the game, maybe another 66 months to a year improving the gameplay, and people would be getting impatient, and bored.

Mark has improved the horse database. This will allow for the compilation of far more realistic schedules. This is a large improvement to gameplay.

Ubar02 your passion for the game and defence of Mark is quite admirable. However, perhaps look at it as Strategic Designs Ltd and then take an objective look at the "product". Obviously all businesses require new customers but that should never be to the detriment of their existing ones.

I find it amusing that cliques have been mentioned on these boards many times, when someone like KeithBeaky makes what seems perfectly valid comments some appear quick to jump down his throat and dismiss out of hand. But when PJRhodes1970 (sorry to use him as an example but please see below) makes similar comments then it's nothing, nada, zip?

I think what often gets lost here is that we all ultimately want the same thing.


[quote="pjrhodes1970"]

AUCTIONS - Exactly the same as SO5 have not seen anything new (Have tracked the top 100 earning Horses for 2 season never got one email to say 1 was going to auction thousands of emails which have become annoying- end if season 2yo sales are exactly the same as so5 a little disappointed was hoping for more realistic sales structure yearling sales etc)

BREEDING - Have not had any yearlings yet but the rest of it is exactly the same as SO5 think the Breeding side has needed a revamp for years a little disappointed.


In Summary the graphics are amazing and are the major change the rest seems to be similar to SO5
Disappointed with the Breeding And Auctions
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I wanted better auctions. I wanted a jockey only mode. However I'm not bemoaning the game for a lack of this, and I've actually bought the game. PJ also admitted that the graphics were very good. He has later noted that the game does send emails to alert you of horses going to auction. PJ has not been saying that the whole of SO6 is not an advancement, without even purchasing the game. He has just got on with playing the game, testing for bugs and generally looking to help advance it, rather than sit on here all day whinging like KB has when he hasn't even bought the game. Paul appreciates the positives as well, rather than just moaning because the game isn't exactly how he wanted it.

Unfuwain you are correct. The cliques are mainly made up of the same type of people. In their defence, somewhat, I am a twat. But anything I post is viewed differently than if by somebody from the clique. Sadly they post more than others so they must be right.

If you notice Ubar is never wrong. I suspect he is more than just a customer. Apparently I sit here all day moaning about the game. The irony is he sits here all day quoting every post I make whilst also defending the game at all costs.

Anyway can't sit here all day, some of us have a life.

blimey keith that's now 2 things I agree with u now nearly makes u part of my clique