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Welcome Tim glad you got on here good luck with your runner this week.


Gray

I would say Maiden winners in Big fields will be group 1 if you have the big stables in so to start at 105 is to low you don't want him entering a Handicap on second run he should be aimed at Dubai or listed group races looking at the Winter Derby Johns Newcomer is looking at 130 because the horse in second was rated 128 last season Pauls Horse Animal Kingdom was Third he will be or might be rated in the mid 120's because the horse back in fourth was Devious Diva who was rated 120 last season now all the horse's behind these will be Handicapped higher than would of been in a Maiden.

This is why I never have a runner in the Winter Derby or Sprint Cup unless I know my horse's will be up to group class so you can't give a maiden winner a rating of 105 that has won in a big field it would be at least a 120 Horse in some cases not all but mostly perhaps a bigger Spread below the front few might make it fairer but giving the winner a lower rating is in my opinion not the way to go.



Gray

Got to agree with Sirius last season the people in the middle suffered. If you had really bad horses or really good horses you were fine, but if your horse finished midfield then you had very little chance of a win the whole season.

NH has a better spread already there are 12 different winners in NH versus 7 on the flat

I think u either stop the top5 trainers from having runners in H'caps or u have more races and have better limited H'caps say for horses rated 90-105.

I suggested that years ago Ghost having a Max limit and Min rated the problem I see is the Top 5 trainers I don't know if we can say top 5 trainers Jim Harrison I think was a surprise last season and both Alan Macdonald and J Shea have started will this season the newbies can struggle first season but come back stronger next season.

Sirius I would like to of offered you the flat handicapper I was after one for weeks but Dangersteve is doing it could I interest you in the jumpers handicap role.


Gray

The way top 5 can work is the top 5 in the current logs can't enter handicaps so it will fluctuate throughout the season. I don't have time to code it in now so not an option for this season but it can be done for next season if people want it. This would be for the flat