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				 Dhughes 
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				  Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Is the rule that no full brothers or full sisters are allowed in the league still being enforced?
  I haven't heard of any horses getting removed recently because of it, which means either everyone is abiding by the rules or the rule doesn't exist anymore? 
					
  
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				 Dhughes 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
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				 David1uk 
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					 Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 1:31 am Posts: 694 Location: Doncaster
				 
				 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						I read you can have a full brother and sister in the league but not two full brothers or two full sisters 
					
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				 Dhughes 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						David1uk wrote: I read you can have a full brother and sister in the league but not two full brothers or two full sisters That is supposed to be the rule, but you never hear of any trainer's horses getting scratched for it.  So am wondering whether the rule is still being enforced.  Are some trainers getting away with racing multiple males/females from the same stallion and mare?  
					
  
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				 Lordedaw 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Dhughes wrote: David1uk wrote: I read you can have a full brother and sister in the league but not two full brothers or two full sisters That is supposed to be the rule, but you never hear of any trainer's horses getting scratched for it.  So am wondering whether the rule is still being enforced.  Are some trainers getting away with racing multiple males/females from the same stallion and mare?  I think those things get checked at the start of the season. Fairly sure some sort of file analysis is done to dig out anything untoward. In SO6 someone got kicked out for manipulating the files. However, I think it was ascertained that the new breeding mechanic in SO7 made any full brothers or sisters total individuals and not clones as they were in SO6. Therefore meaning it was ok to enter them. Not sure anyone did though or if the rule was actually changed. I have bred some the same and they are totally different from each other so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed.  Hopefully Gray will see this and make a definite ruling. If you have full brothers/sisters and want to enter them I would suggest sending him the files via email asap so he can see they are different.  
					
						
					
  
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				 Dhughes 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						I don't have full brothers/full sisters because I have been following the rule, I have been checking all my mares before breeding to make sure there are none.
  The rule needs to be clarified so it is a level playing field for all trainers.  Gray? 
					
  
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				 Jango 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Unfortunately it is still possible to create clones of the same sex. So only one of each gender per parents rule would work. 
					
  
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				 Githyanki 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Last season it was one of each sex if I recall.  It was really done to stop system cloning not breeding cloning so I am not sure what value it offers right now unless we still think we have people hacking code? 
					
  
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				 Jango 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Githyanki wrote: Last season it was one of each sex if I recall.  It was really done to stop system cloning not breeding cloning so I am not sure what value it offers right now unless we still think we have people hacking code? I doubt there is any means now to "hack" the game, code wise. I could be mistaken but the "hacking" era was before the horse files were made encrypted.  But its still fairly easy to produce the same horse at different ages with different names.  
					
  
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				 Githyanki 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						How? 
					
  
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				 simpleminds 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						I will leave this to Leon i cant see without the ttf and only being able to have the mare breed one horse a year now being problem. I am sure Frankel covers the same Mare a few times over the breeding seasons.
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				 kniesh 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						I was all for having brothers an sister for the league as I thought the hacking was over. I did accidentally come across a way of having the same horse with different names though, so I'd definitely be against it, just keep things as they are 
					
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				 Jango 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						simpleminds wrote: I will leave this to Leon i cant see without the ttf and only being able to have the mare breed one horse a year now being problem. I am sure Frankel covers the same Mare a few times over the breeding seasons.
  Gray It still is a problem. Same horse, different names with different ages, same sex. Gray, if you want me to elaborate just PM me. Cheers  
					
  
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				 ghostzapper74 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						Hi Everyone hope everyone is good       Just reading this and we should keep it simple No full brothers or sisters , its easy think to do is copy the same horse . Lets say u save a game and the 2yo that just entered the game turns out to be a monster then u can always go back and just give it a different name and u would have two of the same horse . Keep it simple and have NO full brother or sisters .  
					
  
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				 Githyanki 
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				  Re: Full brothers/Full sisters  
					
						So one of each then. Same lineage different sex? 
					
  
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