Nice . The question is how much faster though. 1:37:2 has come up in the forums. FWIW I think the Guineas will be a close contest even if the trial time struck me as pretty slow as well and that in a race where I had a horse running early pace .

Goodluck with the guineas guys i wont have a chance maybe i will try to run in a listed mile race if there is one that week.. Mine cant even break 1:38, the best i have runs at 1:38.3 in newmarket good ground 3yo only

There is no certainty that the guineas will have a fast pace. In fact its more likely to be slow. If most trainers upload even pace/ hold up horses into the stable then it is more likely to be slow like the 10f race. If you have just one horse that races handy in the field it may either set a slow pace or act as a pacemaker for the field. Looking at the trial uploads it doesn't look like there will be a huge amount of horses that race handy in the league. So I think a slow pace is more likely unless a lot of people change their stables.

If you have horses that pull / over race you will have problems

I wouldn't be so certain of this. Its highly unlikely that the quick times will be replicated in the league. For one there are no pacemakers. So the pace will be much slower. Have a look at the splits of your races. If your horse has a fast last split and is thereabouts in the last 3 furlongs there is a good chance it may win.

My times are way slower than those posted on the forums. BUT I had 8 winners. Its not all about going as quick possible in the CK. There are other variables to look at.

Agree to disagree about the trials then . As I see it in every race (aside from that 10f race) there are 1/2 horses that run a fair pace. Whilst that's not a lot of horses, that's all you need. FWIW in my trials even with even pace and no pacemakers, the times are not that far off the fastest times I've seen but hey.. the league is starting soon and we'll have answers then.

thanks for the tip leon..times are not everything then there are so much more other things to consider..especially for nhc i heard times dont mean a thing..

Its all theory for you at present. if you entered more horses in the trials you may have had some more concrete answers than just analysing the data. But from experience its not always your quickest horses that are your best league horses

Yes times have no meaning in NH. Good jumping, fast jumping etc are more important

Check the splits in the 5f race I posted. See you in the league . Besides I've never claimed anything about how I will do in the league. I'm happy to run where my horses are good enough. And it's not just me that's saying the guineas is likely to be fast. PJ and Nash have said much the same thing.

And what about the trials? More than a few have not entered their best. What can you draw from that?

There is no way you will know what the pace will be like until you see the final field. If you have a few handy horses it will be quick, if not slow. Scatters isn't around this season. Didn't see any other trainer in the trials with loads of handy horses so unless you that trainer or someone appears out the woodwork there are unlikly to be many handy horses in the race. Where do you think the pace will come form?

From the trials

Race 7 1m 3yr +
H D Train Wreck 2f split 24.4

Race 8 1m1f 3yr +
The One 2f split 24.1!

Race 10 1m4f 3yr+
Stormont 2f split 25.5

The 1m2f race is the outlier. In every other race there has been at least 1 horse setting an early pace and not from a single stable either. Or is that not fast enough?

We will see if the league is the same but so far the evidence is there are early pace horses in races from a variety of stables even if you don't want to admit it . There doesn't have to be many.. there only has to be one to set a fast pace.

id say akhc has handy horses and they will try to burn everything off only a guess though

i have now finished my flat team just got to do some serious trialling with 3yo colt 1mile classic team let you know if i break 137.40

then onto putting a proper nhc team together

Actually PJ you're wrong there. Aside from 5/6f where the horses tend to have to go off fast anyway, all my horses for the league from 7f up are even paced/slight hold up.

But in some ways that was an error in strategy for breeding and I didn't want to have to restart.

Next time I do it all over (if/when!) I'll breed them to run from the front .

lets all remember guys its a bit of fun at the end of the day & its a game to be enjoyed
i will enjoy the lge what ever happens and if any1 dominates fair play to them they have to have put loads of time into
there team i actually raced 13 of my lge team and was well beaten in some of the trials and & i openly admit i have put lots of time into it

Absolutely PJ . If it's not fun why do it? But I do like to defend my point of view and I have to say I can't wait for the league to start.

Actually at this point I don't know what my league team is. Aside from the 2 year olds which I finally sorted today after more testing, the only 3 year olds I have sorted are my St Leger entry and the 12f entries. I do have shortlists for the other distances and if closing were today I could probably choose the lot but to be fair I need to do some final CK testing. I'm not far away from sorting the team out though and I do hope there are no more delays to the league!