I'm ok with it because if it's out there then it's fine, that's not what I want to do but that's my choice and I get fun out of breeding the old fashion way. Any one caught running the same horses under two or more names should be banned for life( it should be fun) its not life or death.

I hope in the next game that u can only export horses between the same code.

Yes Crazy Wolf is a definite runner. Want to know how he gets on with weight on his back. Cyrano De Bergerac who is the better horse is in the Badgers Ale Trophy

Why?? Even I breed all of mine in a flat game and transfer them into a jumps game, and in life flat horses become jumpers or visa versa. Why would you want that to change in the game? You could still breed the same monsters as the horses are exactly the same, I don't know what purpose this would have other than to p*ss people off.

I Don't like the distance spreads in the game, a 2 mile flat horse turns into a 4 miler in the jumps game. A horse u breed in the flat game can win a gold cup or even a Grand National. A flat horse could never win one of those races, in real life flat horse's become hurdlers not chasers. I'd like it to be as close to real life as possible. We all look for different things in games and what I like other people would probably hate.

Unfortunately, the league will never be realistic if players are going to save copies of the ttf file to use in multiple games. Somehow, I don't think racehorse owners can make copies of their best mares and stallions yet. Maybe in another hundred years.

As for flat bred horses not being able to win the Gold Cup or Grand National. How about Red Rum.
His sire Quorum was a miler who was placed in the 2000 Guineas, not sure which year but early 1960s and his dam Mared was sprint bred but wasn't much good at any distance.

Rummy was a total freak, u do get some/few horses that are breed for one thing but end up something different but not very often. For every rummy or overturn there are more that never make it as a chaser.

KEVCON

this has happened since so4 there was alot of stuff going on that was hidden
if it was not for scatters i would have never have known about it (Transferring multiple horses) for breedin
in fact i did not use the transfer system for a long time as i did not know how it worked
id say Kev you are probably the only 1 who does not transfer horses between games or in the minority
that was the whole point for Mark adding the transfer pool this was done exclusively for lge trainers
if the option was not there you could not do it

i no for a fact that in the past there has been some dodgy stuff going on in the lge this is only my 3rd year
in lge but been on forum for a long time and heard all rumors of cheating
i heard alot of rumors of people swapping horses to breed monsters between them this cant be done anymore
that was one of the reasons it took me so long to get involved in lge as i thought not everyone was playing off a level playing field
i can tell you now those days are gone for good

but transferring is a long way off cheating the option is there in the game 4 everyone to use and if you have read the forums over
past 2 years you will know nearly every trainer uses transfer system
i am more than surprised that you have chosen not to do so but that is your choice


that is your choice but don't think you can criticize or complain about those who have and id say most have
how on earth can you compare the lge to real life thats impossible and very unrealistic
its a game
people are always going to come up with new breeding ideas
i have no idea how AKHC and Matt have bred so many monsters i have put so much time into my team
but i am still quite a bit behind them but i know for a fact they have done everything within the rules and fair play to them they have
spent the time to put it all together with brilliant breeding operations with new ideas how to breed great horses

with the Marks new software there is no way to cheat anyway
which is a good thing Me and Leon want a fair lge for everyone
but its up to the person themselves to use the tools available

anyway Kevin you are fully entitled to your opinion and i respect that i just can' agree with it
but good luck for the rest of the season mate

Just to add to the red rum argument-he did win over 5f as a two year old(at aintree) personally I feel the transfer system is unrealistic but it is as it is and I'm not going to argue with it- I only use it for transferring flat to NH or vice versa.
So Paul, could you explain exactly what you do with it and what you use it for as I don't really understand all the stuff about having multiple ttfs etc.

just writing my jockey club preview ubar i will post full explanation after ok

for me the ttf file serves many purposes i also recently found out about it too and how to use it i think around the same time as paul.. Matt is the one who showed me how to use it..
Even though i only have 5 seperate saved ttf files with 5 or 6 horses in each file that are good ck runners..The ttf file is a great tool used for breeding for the league say you have a horse that does really well in ck you then send that horse to the gamepool with all the other horses and then you make a copy of the ttf file which will let you use those horses over and over again because you have copied the ttf file all you gotta to do is copy and paste in the ttf file you have copied into the saves folder then when you feel like you need the same horse or even a more younger version for breeding copy that same file into the saves folder and the horse will be there again..
For me i also use it as a great back up tool i save my ttf files to a 2gb flashdrive because if my game crashes or laptop breaks down and cannot get to my save file for league it will be hard to have to start from zero for breeding for the league you cant breed you will have to start a new game but even if you have to start a new game you can transfer your horses from the ttf file and it will be a great boost to your breeding you can breed with the same lines you have spent how many hours on for the league with a new game that is if your games crashes..so the ttf is a great bloodline saver and great tool for breeding league horses.. Because i would pull my hair out if i had to start all over again from zero if my game crashes..but atleast the ttf file saves my ass if i have to start a new game from a crash..

I feel that something you are all missing about the game and life is this: A horse is a horse, is a horse, is a horse etc. Just because it is flat bred doesn't mean it can't jump, just because a horse is NH bred doesn't mean that it CAN jump.

I also only use the transfer system to transfer between flat and jumps, but knowing how the ttf thingy works now (PJ explained a little further up this thread) I might well back up my whole transfer pool in case of a crash. This is something EVERYONE should do, if you don't want to be posting a message in technical support about your game not working and hundreds of hours down the drain. I use a flat game to breed my horses because I get too caught up in the NH game and so I can't breed as quickly, so my horses aren't as good. Plus the NH game is still holding onto yearlings for a year and I get terribly confused, so it is easier on time and my brain to breed in the flat game. HOWEVER, my horses are essentially NH horses.

From reading this I think you're (ghostzapper) too stuck in the flat vs jumps thing. A horse can do ANYTHING, what limits it is its natural ability and its physique. I know of ex-flat horses who are point-pointing, team chasing, hunting, eventing, competing in endurance and they are more than capable and they love it. I also know of many ex-NH horses who would flat out refuse to do many of those things and are now doing dressage, or showing etc. The reason most flat horses wouldn't run over jumps is because their legs wouldn't handle it, plus they're worth more money so people are less likely to risk them, plus you can win a lot more prize money with a flat horse. The same is true for NH horses on the flat. They are that much bigger and weaker their legs wouldn't handle pounding over hard ground in the summer at high speeds. I will grant you that it is very unrealistic that a 10+ x G1 winner would ever run over hurdles or fences, but his offspring might.

This is where real life and the game start to diverge. In real life you wouldn't risk a 10+ x G1 winner over obstacles because the risk of having a fatal injury is so much higher, if you wanted a NH horse you'd breed him with something that you'd aim at NH. When you get your baby it becomes clear pretty early on whether it is going to be an early developing flat-type which you might want to try racing as a 2yo. Or something you want to keep hold of and work on slowly (this is what a store horse is) because it is going to take time to develop. BUT in-game, you rarely lose horses so you would have no qualms running that 10+ x G1 winner over hurdles, fences, the Grand National because he is never going to get an injury which means you lose him forever. (plus backed up ttf files etc, if you were that unlucky) So you could trial him in the CK and upload him to the league, because in-game a great horse is a great horse. There are more variables over jumps, but it would be almost impossible for an average horse to win the Gold Cup (using your example). It would be easier for that average horse to win the National, but all my National winners in game and any I've been able to buy from other trainers have had at least 80% potential. We have found from PJ's extensive breeding that THE most important bar is the potential one (plus jumping speed for NH), therefore, if you have a horse with full potential that is good at jumping it will be top class on the flat and NH. You don't have that luxury in real life, horses have personalities etc etc. That is due to the way the game is programmed. In real life it is usually only average/bad flat horses who are sold to go jumping. If NH owners could get hold of good flat horses then they would, but flat owners won't part with them because they're too good to sell, or other flat owners/breeders will pay more than your average NH owner. That is part of the reason there aren't more Group 1 winners running over fences.

I know nothing about programming, but I can speak from experience. ALL of my horses in the NH game have been top class from day 1 to the day I decide to retire them because their potential has gone downhill. Chick Ii, one of my league team, has had 4 seasons at the top of NH racing. The only ones who are one season wonders are my handicappers, and that is only because their rating is too high. THIS IS INCREDIBLY RARE IN REAL LIFE, it is why Kauto Star, Desert Orchid, Red Rum, Arkle, Golden Miller are immortalised because they are some of the few that came back and back and back, which is something most horses can't do. Look at Long Run, he has won races but he looks the shadow of that world beating French import of a few years back. Look back at so many recent Gold Cup winners, NH racing takes so much out of a horse that it is almost impossible to keep them at the top of their game for that long.

So to sum up my rather long essay before 8.15 am you CANNOT compare game and real life. Backing up ttf files is just good sense, though it does mean the system can be exploited a little. People have been breeding race horses for hundreds of years, the only difference with the game is that you can make carbon copies and breed hundreds of generations in a few days. The only way to do that in real life is to make a sibling which almost definitely won't have the same traits, or live a VERY long time. The transfer system was a wonderful addition to the game, meaning you could send a bad flat horse jumping to see how it got on like you can in real life. That was the point of the transfer system in the first place.

The end.

I would like to dedicate this book to my mother and my wonderful Cocker Spaniel Murphy.

(apologies guys, I *may* have gotten a little carried away!)

took me 10 mins to read that SUpercat
but agree 100%
well said

Any chance of the full pjrhodes1970 breeding with ttf files and the transfer pool guide? Just reading through keenans but would be interested to hear what you say as well.

I've tried to do what people said to do about putting horses back in the ttf folder and now I get A Run Time Eorror...... Does anyone now know what I should do next.

NO breeding or playing for me.


HELP

just uploading previews ubar
i will do this for you just busy right now