If you have read my previous posts on Uncle Toms thread you will know i have been attempting the same 1 mile 3yo challenge as he has, come close in my 2 attempts, but going into next season it looks like having much more promise.
I have 3 horses that have had very good 3yo seasons.

La Quavo is an unbeaten colt, breeding indicates 1m1, 7 wins from 7, rated 101 after an impressive maiden win by 4 1/2 L at Sandown
Went on to win 4 G2 races, 3 at 7f and 1 at 1m, then 2 G1 wins at 1m. Now rated 114.
Won twice at Newmarket on good ground, so given the weather the Guineas will be an early target.

Sweet Sugar Dollar, Colt, breeding indicates 1m1 a bit of an enigma, 6 wins from 7 (2nd when beaten by La Quavo by 3/4 L over 7f in second run, at group 2 standard). Rated 91 on winning maiden.
Has won from 5f to 1m, looks strongest at 6f, 2 impressive wins of over 6L at the Curragh over 6f and then 7f.
5 G1 wins. Now rated 122.
Will use early season runs to figure out a target distance, also open to suggestions?

El Colonel, Filly, breeding indicates 1m, 6 wins from 7, ranging from 6f to 1m, 4th when beaten 2L in second start.
3 G1 wins and 2 G2 wins, has won at the Curragh and Newmarket, most impressively winning fillies mile by 7f at Newmarket.
Rated 89 after winning maiden run, now rated at 117.
Possible 1000 Guineas as an early target.

Have played quite a few seasons now, and had some good in game horses, but this is the first time i have had a group of 2yo run like this. Sweet Sugar Dollar has the best potential and may be seen in next season of the league.
Though i have yet to trial them in CK.

This game has also produced what i believe to be my most succesful horse La Blaze, which has just finished his 8yo season, total so far of 25 G1 wins & 7 G2 wins, at distances from 7f to 1m2, still winning G1 as and 8yo (5G1 & 1 G2 this season)

Have tried doing a print screen to post but does`t appear to work?

Cheers for reading,

Joe

good luck mate heres to a good season for you

Cheers, going to export these horses in June, and trial them in CK with a couple from earlier in the same game, plus a couple from another game that i am a few seasons into.

Been looking at thread below about trialling;
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6923&p=67756&hilit=3yo+sprint+schedule#p67756

Are these times still relevant?

Still without a winner in the league, so hoping one of these can push me into those sorts of times

they are not really up to date only use times as a guideline i have found out that they don't mean much when it comes to lge conditions
but are important to unearth your best i now trial without pacemakers to emulate lge conditions but use pacemakers to get a shortlist for
trial finals

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7962

read this from the master of breeding lge monsters

Some have gone faster but they are a good start. I did list my current times in this thread

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7951

At the risk of sounding immodest most of those times are probably faster than most have gone at present but I fully expect that some trainers will have caught up and surpassed some of those times for next season.

I don`t know how you guys do it, i mean i have read the various threads on breeding but i can never find a mare thats full potential or nearly full potential.

I have a couple of stallions that are, i tried using the gamebreds in the breeding barn, but never come across mares that are multiple G1 winners like are shown on the threads.

I`ll update this story on my 3 horses tomorrow, only one is what i would say is almost full potential, can you guess which?

The mares are out there. They are rare though and it does require quite a bit of work to find them. However, finding them and backing them up for further breeding means is the key. You don't need many of them. Really if you had one you could simply breed all your stallions to that one mare and hopefully find fillies which are a chip of the old block. Once you have such fillies things get a lot easier.

Just keep plodding on, I have found 2 stallions with full bars and they seem to be p passing it on. The current 2 yo seem promising and I may be much better come the next league.

Come to think of it, you could also breed fillies from your stallions with max potential but the fillies would usually have less max potential if the mare used isn't great. But then you simply breed the filly to another stallion with max potential and the offspring filly from that pairing should have an increased max potential compared to it's dam. Eventually you could get a good brood mare with close to max potential. Might be quicker to do this then look for gamebred mares with max potential to breed from.

The question is whether in the long run those lines would do just as well. My opinion obviously is not simply because my experiments with breeding as described above in this post didn't work terribly well which lead me to working out how to find those gamebred mares as I've described in the guide I posted. However YMMV and perhaps you can find a way of making the above method work.

Time for an update, i decided early to keep the 3 horses apart as much as possible;

Sweet Sugar Dollar seems strongest at 7f, 1m is pushing it, and due to lack of top races at 7f will go mostly over 6f.
La Quavo and El Colonel seem run best at 1m, despite jockeys occasionally suggesting the want an extra furlong.

Ill start with Sweet Sugar Dollar, had 2 early run over 6f at Meydan, starting with the G3 Al Shindhaga Sprint, ran from the front, went on to win 2 1/4 L, then came the G1 Golden Shaheen, broke with the leaders, took lead half way and ran on to win by 5L at a canter, starting to think this horse may be a little bit special.
On to the Diamond Jubilee stakes at Ascot, seems to have been a drought in England and the going was hard, which suits this horse, so was quietly optimistic, this time he settled in behind the leaders early, gave the impression he was biding his time, inside 1 1/2f the jockey urged him on and he soon led, won by 1 1/4L. On hard ground at Ascot carrying 9st3 he ran a 1:10 flat.
This sees us through June, most likely will run again at Newmarket in the July Cup.

El Colonel also starts the season early at Meydan, going in the 1m1 UAE Oaks G3 race, front rank early, led inside 2 furlongs out, never headed went on to win by 2 1/4 L.
Next up Newmarket and the 1000 Guineas, this will tell the quality of the horse and decide its race schedule for the rest of the season, would like to run at 1m, but may need 1m2.
Mid pack early, front rank half way, ran on strongly to win 1/4L, shows signs that it may need further, but will continue at 1m for now.
Straight onto the plane to France, Longchamps, the Poules D`essai de Pouliches the target, unusually for France we had firm ground, which is in the breeding of my 3yo`s, this being the most visually impressive performance to date, well placed early, close up half way, led inside 3f, ran on to 4L win.
On to Curragh for the Irish 1000 Guineas, going hard, horse showing some effects of tiring race and travel schedule, mid division early, midfield half way, came to the front inside 3f, facing a tough battle, running in nose to nose, pulled out 1/4L right at the end.
Coronation Stakes, Ascont next, firm ground, seems to have recovered well from past exploits, took the lead from the start, made all the running, never headed, win by 2 1/2L.
This one may also go to Newmarket next, Falmouth stakes looks to be there for the taking.

La Quavo has a later start to the season at the 1m Craven Stakes G3, Mid division half way, took lead inside final furlong, showing an impressive turn of foot, to win by 1 3/4L.
2000 Guineas next, G/S going, slight woorry that, started slow, front rank half way, led inside 3f, only just held off strong challenges.
Off to Longchamps, the Poules D`essai de Poulains, going G/F, this is more like it, midfield half way, twice blocked off when getting going, the unbeaten run looked like coming to an end, but found a gap in final furlong, and just got the nose in front on the line.
Starting to worry about this one, but off to the Irish 2000 Guineas we go, led inside final furlong, 1 1/2L win.
Off to Ascot, the 1m St James Palace stakes the target, going is Hard, slow away, soon recovers, close up half way, led inside 2f, driven on to win by 1/2L.
Not sure where to go next with La Quavo, may step up in trip to give him more time to recover as he seems to put himself in trouble, either with slow starts or getting boxed in.

We are almost through June, between the 3 horses we have 10 G1 & 3 G3 wins in the bag, and all 3 have been unbeaten this season.
La Quavo in fact has had an unbeaten career to date, the future looks promising for this trio.
My 2yo don`t have the same promise, though they may have been neglected a bit as i have put my energy into the 3yo trio.

Any thoughts?

You're doing well in game. With these 3 horses you'd probably be able to start breeding a dynasty within the game that can't be beat. However if you're looking to enter the league then you're going to have to test these in CK and see how well they do.

Sweet Sugar Dollar may be a good stallion to breed from (this trio are only 2 generations in), as his bar is pretty close to full max potential and realised potential is equal to max.
Slight worry is the breeding indicated 1m, and he doesnt quite last the distance.

The filly El Colonel has the lowest bar of the 3, but as you say, after many generations that may improve incrementally.

Ps La Blaze has managed another 2 G1 and 1 G2 thus far in his 9yo season, never known a horse to go on that long.

All of the horses mention share 1 grandsire (or sire in the case of La Blaze), that was pretty close to full potential.

On the topic of breeding, if a horse has very high max potential but the realise potential is lower, which is more signigicant?

Secondly, if you put a horse to the barn with good max and realised potential, when the realised potential starts to drop, does this affect the quality of the offspring?

Cheers

I wouldn't worry too much about what the game thinks is the best distance.



The game thinks the horse is best at 7f but the stamina bars clearly show the horse capable of longer.

You'll see the same pattern in the offspring. High max potential still with lower realised potential most of the time. Occasionally you get an outlier with high max potential and realised potential too but it's easier to get that with a sire/dam that is high in both to start with,

It doesn't matter if realised potential drops with age in my experience.