thanks for the tip jamie..I will look for a gamebred with different running style..I even tried running them race handy but they cannot run as well as I hoped..the gamebred that I bred from was a gamebred that won g1s from 1m2 all the way to 2m4 the gold cup just sucks that its a early pace horse

Not a bother mate. If you can find a nice hold up horse though to put through all your early pacers, all may not be lost yet with that horse! His ability will still be imparted into your lines, you just need to take it to the next level and into a more economical running role.

Once I would have said that too. But if I'm being honest I've reached the stage where all my horses look good stat wise. However there are big differences in times run. I'm having to run everything through CK now to see what is better and there's no short cut to it.



The breeding engine in SO5 is different.. or has been tweaked. I didn't play SO4 as extensively but played it enough to hit league standard times for sprinters and certainly the things I did in SO4 were the first things I tried in SO5 with not much success.

I haven't noted anything about running style but that doesn't mean very much and you may have a point there. I do have quite a few race handy horses throughout all distances and whilst they are capable of posting some very fast times the spread of times makes it hard for me to consider running them in the league. Take one of my pacemakers Rammanu - at 1m Ascot under standard CK conditions it can run anywhere from 1:38:8 to 1:40:0. In most races it ends up fading away to 1:39:3-7. I have horses that clock faster running off an even pace and are more consistent but require a fast pace (which has been a real problem in these races for the league at present hence the wide variability of winners at 1m). I've probably interbred every type of horse from race handy/early pace to held up in my lines without any good plan.

Maximizing potential only gets you so far and I'm not convinced the other stats mean a lot as I'm sure there are hidden stats that have as much/greater impact on the ones we can see (potential being the exception). The problem is a lot of trainers have maximized potential and are struggling to find ways to go faster. I don't pretend to have all the answers. To be honest I'm not sure if I had to start from scratch that I could go as fast as I'm going as I am convinced I have been lucky to find the right horses and I'm not even sure which ones are responsible for the times I see though I have some theories that I have shared. I probably have something like 20-30 horses if not more which went into a breeding pool at the start and along the way I've probably added another 10+ horses here and there. I suspect that's more that most trainers have in their lines and maybe one reason why I haven't hit the same blocks others have though I am hitting a few of my own now .

found a nice gamebred that has won 23 g1s and holds two overall course distance records times and he hit my breeding barn..I have sent 5 mares to him from the early pace bloodline and to my surprise the offspring came out:
2 race handy, 1 even pace , 1 help up , and 1 restrained early.three of them with 90 potential..
I tried them in ck even though not as good as the early pace bloodline they did alright and will probably start breeding from the even pace one because I like they way she runs..
thanks again jamie..p.s. does anybody know the difference between help up and restrained early?would like to know thanks

Held up literally means hold up at the rear whereas restrained is a slight hold up so not as severe

thanks so much follis

It's frustrating when your best 1m4f horse gets beaten a fast finishing second in the Arc to this:

Ooh I had an Afrique Noir in my game who was a miler/10f horse and it would always whoop my horses' buttocks!! I hated that horse to say the least, but this is just...totally unfair!

I have to say the same names crop up on the best horses time and time again. I couldn't believe it- it got about 10 lengths on me and I was closing it all the way but the fact it won over 6 last time out as well- I hope it goes to the sales or breeding barn- I need to breed off it!

From the previous races shown in your screenshot Afrique Noir first preference distances are 6 - 7 - 8 furlongs. Wonder what made the AI all of sudden choose 1-4.

Stupid AI does that occasionally. Mostly it blows up in it's face. Actually that's the first time I've ever seen a 6f gamebred horse win at 1m4f.

Yeah most of time you get stayers or 1-4 horses running in sprints and being destroyed- the diamond jubilee is a popular race for a top class stayer to run in! Doesn't normally happen the other way round- wish it hadn't this time