the thing that's bugging me is the fact I had 10 winners in week 1 9 of which have not won again and in some cases not looking like winning again even though theyre racing the same horses take green man won his maiden then had a 10 length turnaround with the derby 2nd which I find unbelievable 14 winners in first 2 weeks then 3 winners in 4 weeks with exactly the same horses that's quite strange perhaps its just an average yard that got lucky in week 1 & 2 really frustrating
and had enough!

Part of the problem is that the league races are simulating an unrealistic scenario. I don't know how many seasons players go through while putting a team of league horses together but I know it's a lot. It's kind of like being able to cherry pick the very best horses from the last 100 years and race them together all over their optimal distance while in peak form. I suspect the races would be very close and tactics and going etc. would play a very big part in the outcome because the level of quality would be so high.

The fields (in the game) are of an unrealistically high quality and most of the horses can probably maintain close to their top speed for most of the race. So a race with a slow early pace will play into the hands of the horse that goes for home first (even if it is a long way from home). In the game the races are of a more realistic quality and pace does not play such a big part.

The construction kit races use the same AI as the game races. I haven't been around here much lately and have not seem any recent races but am aware of this from watching some earlier races. Overall I like the fact that these factors (pace etc.) can change the result and it gives everyone who enters races some kind of hope (mostly). The jockey AI could be better in these races but improving the AI is difficult and takes a lot of tweaking. It's not going to happen for SO5 and the focus is SO6. Even if it did improve the problem would remain to a large degree for the reasons stated above.

Like I said I don't really keep up with things here but maybe some kind of mechanism for allowing players to add a pacemaker is the obvious solution (although I am sure that has been discussed already).

Cheers,

Mark.

Thanks kindly for the reply Mark i know how bsy you are

Personally i have won a few races as Matt pointed out Comprende stole the Greenham by getting a handy
lead and getting first run on the others

I have also had several horses given bad rides

so having had an experience of both i think there are only 2 options

1)the lge has a default pacemaker for all races over 6f
or
2)we leave it exactly as it is and you take what you get

i Like the fact that any1 can win big races in the lge i think that is important
maybe i have done to much moaning about the jockeys but i have never said
that the winner was not worthy have always been especially pleased
when a first or 2nd season trainer wins a G1 so if it was to stay the same
i would not be unhappy jockeys in real life have nightmares and trainers and owners have to accept it
whatever happens it's never going to be perfect
you have to decide whether you can accept those terms

but the problem is not everyone has a chance pj if your horse is a hold up type you don't have a chance in group races I cant think of 1 3 yo group race where the winner has come off the pace and that goes for last season as well

Have a default pacemaker for all Grp 1 races over 6f if you wish but leave everything else alone. It's hard enough to win as it is without every race being set up to suit the top trainers.

Jalupen & Matt having seen what Mark has said what would your solution to the issue be?
What is your opinion on it

I agree with you on that

what ever decision is come to its a biggie & needs serious consideration

kevcon I can see where you are coming from I too found winners of any description hard to come by in my first couple of seasons and top trainers are top trainers because they put a hell of a lot of hours into something they enjoy doing as do all trainers its the enjoyment of the game but if you have put in so much time whats the point if you cant win because your horse runs to a certain style and its not about pampering top trainers the point is there is a problem its there for all to see and its not going away this season or next.hope I havnt offended anyone as that was not my intention

I think that pacemakers have pros and cons how are the trainers with race handy types going to react getting their horses legs run off by a pacemaker I think perhaps a poll then if the poll is positive choose 1 trial race (group1 perhaps) and see what everyone thinks majority rules just a suggestion

A 6f race does not need a pacemaker, if it were used it would be 1m or more.

Again the problem is:

In a slow run race horses are too far behind after 1f. In real life this would not happen. In the Derby horses were ten lengths behind after 1f off a slow pace. This would not happen in real life. Can this not be adjusted for the final league season? I dont mind it so much in small fields, however the racekit does not replicate what would happen in real life.

What is happening in the league is this; Horses have a top speed, lets say its 41 mph over 1m4. If the pace of the race is under 30mph for most of the race when the horse in front reaches his top speed 2-3f out horses can not catch it up because they can not physically go any faster. It is impossible. This would also be true in real life. BUT in real life horses would a.)not be so far behind and b.)would reduce the lead from 6-8f out rather than wait till the last 2-3f to try to catch the leader up. Unfortunately in SO5 horses are waiting till the last few furlongs to catch up when it is impossible to do so.

So unless something is done I cant see myself or a few other trainers bothering with next season. In all seriousness what is the point? There is clearly something wrong with the racekit. No offence Mark but it is unrealistic. The Oaks and Ribblesdale are very few races compared to all the others and for me its not enough to bother breeding any other horses. Cruise Ship was a certainty in the Gold Cup but for the racekit. Off a normal pace, 30mph, he can do 4:41 on G/F and Im sorry but i doubt the other horses can do that. People will say its not about times and to an extent it isn't, but I can assure you they still play a big part in telling what your best horses are.

In SO6 this needs to be sorted out as do the tracks. Epsom is one of the fastest, if not fastest, 1m4 track in the game. In real life this is NOT true and the course does not suit front runners. Can this be addressed? Ascot is also ridiculously slow compared to real life.

I hope I dont sound too critical, I LOVE the game and the league has been amazing. Obviously it isn't helped that not many trainers have bred make all or handy horses and it would also help that if handy horses were better it would also improve SO6. There have been some mighty front runners in real life over the years, I knew its not many compared to even paced or hold up horses, but it would be good to have some in SO6.

First of I won the Gold Cup, yes yes and yes more. And kerrera won her group one. I've won four races at Royal Ascot, bloody hell I hate ascot as well.

It's strange in that Drum Taps has never front run in my trials.

I think User Friendly finished 2nd but might have ran the best race of my whole season so far, ten lengths last again but ran a blinder coming from that far back.

I've got to admit i'm against front runners, all front runners or close up horses will have less chance of winning. Then there's a case of how fast does the pacemaker go. U open a whole can of worms if u do.

Well I wish some of my horses would front run in the slow races like Drum Taps has. Sir Luke did but then still kicked on from too far out. Just my luck!

Im against pacemakers. As Ghost says how fast does it go? The racekit needs to be changed, if it cant be for next season then I think thats poor. It may put me off buying SO6 to be honest.

My motto is it is what it is. Some days u get the run of the race and other days u don't.

Like yesterday twin oaks ran no sort of race, I worked out he ran between twenty or thirty pounds below form( about ten seconds), I hated it but well I just hope it runs to it's form when it matters at the Festival.

Only the world ending would stop me from buying so6
cant wait til March

you can't blame Mark for concentrating on the new version
he only has 1 pair of hands & has stated he is hopeful this will be sorted in new version
& thats good enough for me

i think Pacemakers is a bad idea too

i think for now we just have to accept it

Im 100% with u, the world will have to be taken over by zombies for me not to by So6. And even if zombies do come I've already got a frying pan so i'll still be able to buy it.

I think some people will look at this season and think of ways to exploit it next season. For me i'm just going to keep it simple and breed the best and not give my jockeys orders.