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Before this grows to anotherslanging match about cheating this is what I remember.

Checks were put in the master build to detect hex-edited horses. All horses had to be sent to me and they were scanned. The last time this was done was some time ago (I'm not sure which season) but nothing came up. I can scan the latest seasons horses if required.

I'm posting this because it illustrates that if there is any way to cheat someone will find it as long as league horse files are stored on the local machine. The idea with the hex edit check was that if they did try and a cheat was then found during a check they would be banned for good.

As I already mentioned after the game is out I plan to sit down and think about a possible complete redesign. Ultimately the only way you can stop people trying to cheat is if you remove the temptation (and the horse file(s)) from their PC completely. That means being stored on a game server and having a different game structure.


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I'm a late starter to the league but I was putting in around 40 hours a week for 6 months into breeding my team and I went back to see the times of the course records and I was surprised how quick the times of the course records were from, really early on when SO 5 came out and how the same people dominated a game. I don't believe a few people could dominate a game, I love my cycling but I know if it looks to good to be true then it probably is.


Same as you John possibly more than 40 hours a week in my case especially leading up to the season crammed alot of time in
and if i knew this was a possibility i would never have entered the league the fact that there was new software security in
SO5 that was appealing to me because i knew everyone would be off a level playing field but if i knew what i know now
i would not have entered.


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Before this grows to anotherslanging match about cheating this is what I remember.

Checks were put in the master build to detect hex-edited horses. All horses had to be sent to me and they were scanned. The last time this was done was some time ago (I'm not sure which season) but nothing came up. I can scan the latest seasons horses if required.

I'm posting this because it illustrates that if there is any way to cheat someone will find it as long as league horse files are stored on the local machine. The idea with the hex edit check was that if they did try and a cheat was then found during a check they would be banned for good.

As I already mentioned after the game is out I plan to sit down and think about a possible complete redesign. Ultimately the only way you can stop people trying to cheat is if you remove the temptation (and the horse file(s)) from their PC completely. That means being stored on a game server and having a different game structure.



Appreciate the response i find it mind boggling why anyone would want to cheat in the first place
i think your plans for the future of the league are imperative
ad it will at least once and for all make it a clean league i am not saying it is not clean right now but the doubts are there
something that is unacceptable for an honest player with a huge belief in fairplay


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Mark wrote:
Before this grows to anotherslanging match about cheating this is what I remember.

Checks were put in the master build to detect hex-edited horses. All horses had to be sent to me and they were scanned. The last time this was done was some time ago (I'm not sure which season) but nothing came up. I can scan the latest seasons horses if required.

I'm posting this because it illustrates that if there is any way to cheat someone will find it as long as league horse files are stored on the local machine. The idea with the hex edit check was that if they did try and a cheat was then found during a check they would be banned for good.

As I already mentioned after the game is out I plan to sit down and think about a possible complete redesign. Ultimately the only way you can stop people trying to cheat is if you remove the temptation (and the horse file(s)) from their PC completely. That means being stored on a game server and having a different game structure.


Yes please, I'd like u to check them otherwise the league is dead. If there's no trust then u cant have a league.


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Mark wrote:
Before this grows to anotherslanging match about cheating this is what I remember.

Checks were put in the master build to detect hex-edited horses. All horses had to be sent to me and they were scanned. The last time this was done was some time ago (I'm not sure which season) but nothing came up. I can scan the latest seasons horses if required.

I'm posting this because it illustrates that if there is any way to cheat someone will find it as long as league horse files are stored on the local machine. The idea with the hex edit check was that if they did try and a cheat was then found during a check they would be banned for good.

As I already mentioned after the game is out I plan to sit down and think about a possible complete redesign. Ultimately the only way you can stop people trying to cheat is if you remove the temptation (and the horse file(s)) from their PC completely. That means being stored on a game server and having a different game structure.


Yes please, I'd like u to check them otherwise the league is dead. If there's no trust then u cant have a league.


Agreed i am not sure how long it would take and its a pain while you are working on SO6 but agree with Ghost i think it has to be done


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agree totally with ghost and pj I too put a hell of a lot of hours into this game and would hate to think that was wasted time


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I too insist that all league files are scanned by Mark. It is the only way to get a resolution to any doubts people may have. I still don't believe its possible to edit the files but time will tell.


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i wrote this before i found this thread but it seems to fit in here for newbs q.s and to ask the experts trainer/breeders :)

breeding

is there a faster way of breeding?

by the time i have scouted and found some ai horses worthy of breeding, put them together then realise i need a mare of my own or stallion of my own, found one of similar quality and raced or

trained the rest of my race team of 23 years! too much time has passed in real time!

i study analyse alot to make sure i have proper breed lines similar distance class/potential qualities etc

do pj and rest breed any other way? faster way?

does it always take so many hours of game time? and waiting seasons for each and every foal? which id count as many hours!

then only to find out the foal born is wrong sex you wanted! or crap potential /less/below than expected / desired



at same time i find ive found more enjoyment from the horse you thought was only a group3 horse but seems to grow and improve each season and unexpectedly wins group 1s :D that feeling cant be

beat! and what makes SO5 so enjoyable!

more satisfaction when a horse with only 3/4 potential bar grows improves to 5/6 potential bar! lol


Q. can we breed a full potential bar horse from say a group 3 + handicapper? breeding does seem so random? so far i havent breed much due to lack time.

Q. is it true that 2 full bar group 1 horses dont always breed full bar foals or group 1 quality foals? i suspect this..

at end of each season i have spent millions on horse expecting them to be the next Shergar or SeaTheStars only to open their bars and see they are donkey Eeor jackasses! lol ;)

i have downloaded some of exp players like pj's monsters and have had fun for a season or 2 but that enjoyment is less compared to

say to the surprise donkeys in game who i dont expect nothing from lol and wins races i just cant believe!



is there any more obvious way to spot monsters before they race at sales?

weight? colour? form notes mentions?

or during their careers even when you do notice one? can we buy them?

i ask because yes ive found some ingame ai horses who obviously are winning prolifically alot races or group prizes but even if i spot them early how can acquire / buy monsters? i havent seen any on Fridays Sales! :)



i also noticed so far any of the few really good foals ive breed start of say 90% as 2yold and fill their speed/stamina bars only at 3 yolds after racing few times is this regular or?

can people breed foals with full speed from day 1 possibly?



does mixing sprinters say 5f 6f with 1m2 1m4 etc give good or balanced mix foal? is there any point in mi

or should we only breed 5f with 5f 1m4 with 1m4f?

if sire A has full speed and broadmare B has full stamina will this pass on exactly to the foal? = full speed stamina? i doubt it!


im breeding for fun and own games offline only.

breeding advice?

how many stallions broadmare recommended in a breeding save/game?

can we breed en masse in 1 game and swap to others?

in my main game save play through season im on season 25 i think


in my breeding year 2 only! all my super potential foals are unborn, born 1yolds! , 2yolds unraced etc so far! by the time their hatched and ready i will be well past bedtime in real!

is there a better speedier more efficient way of breeding with the Race Builder /Horse Files?

or does it take months years of play to get those wonder monsters?


(i write alot on notepad before posting on sites for handiness but notepad seems to mess order and sentences up alot as im writing the cursor jumps moves alot messing sentence structures copying

pasteing etc.)



none of the experts or experienced players care to share / answer to some of the questions above here for us moderate amateurs players and newbs? :D

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emeraldpegasus wrote:
none of the experts or experienced players care to share / answer to some of the questions above here for us moderate amateurs players and newbs? :D


I'll come up with a few ideas on the way I've played the game over the next few days for you and others to read.

Sorry I haven't before now but barely get chance these days as just so busy.


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I will be surprised if anyone that is in the league has cheated if it has been found that trainers have cheated I will no longer take part any in League from here on in I put in a lot of hours in my league team yea I know still run like donkeys hours of Schedule Building,Running League Races,Handicapping and more and to think someone clever enough is altering horse files leave a bitter taste in my mouth I am honest has the day is long and I think all the league Team over the last 3 seasons are too just like to know why this has come to attention now the final few weeks of SO5 is coming to the end.


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none of the experts or experienced players care to share / answer to some of the questions above here for us moderate amateurs players and newbs? :D


Never saw this post mate i will try and answer some of your questions

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is there a faster way of breeding?

Mix distane breeding can bring you quicker results example a 6f stallion x a 1m2 filly can produce a better
miler than 2 milers breeding together i noticed mix distance breeding and inbreeding got some good results for me.

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do pj and rest breed any other way? faster way?

when breeding for the lge top trainers will flick through as many seasons as quickly as possible not even looking
at races just to get the next batch exported for trialing 23 seasons would take me a day or so to get through.

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does it always take so many hours of game time? and waiting seasons for each and every foal? which id count as many hours!

Yes many many many hours basically its the same as anything the more time you put in
the better horses you get unless you are Bill Gates & know how to Hex edit (too soon)

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Q. can we breed a full potential bar horse from say a group 3 + handicapper? breeding does seem so random? so far i havent breed much due to lack time.
Depends what sort of bar the parents had

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Q. is it true that 2 full bar group 1 horses dont always breed full bar foals or group 1 quality foals? i suspect this..

Parents generally pass on there stats if parents are full bar 99% of offspring will be full bar by 3yo

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at end of each season i have spent millions on horse expecting them to be the next Shergar or SeaTheStars only to open their bars and see they are donkey Eeor jackasses! lol

its rare that you find anything decent in the 2yo auction would recommend the weekly auction to spend your millions

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is there any more obvious way to spot monsters before they race at sales?

No its very rare that you will find a monster in sales remeber that 1000s of seasons of breeding go into these
monsters that you downloaded a gamebred bought in auction will never get near them the are born not bought

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or during their careers even when you do notice one? can we buy them?

it is completely random what gamebreds go to auction so no you can only buy if you hit lucky and its one of the chosen few that go to sales

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i also noticed so far any of the few really good foals ive breed start of say 90% as 2yold and fill their speed/stamina bars only at 3 yolds
after racing few times is this regular or? can people breed foals with full speed from day 1 possibly?

yes this is possible

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how many stallions broadmare recommended in a breeding save/game?

the way i do it is i start new game skip 6 months then flick through to last day of season bring in 6 mares on last day of
season and on day 1 of season 2 bring in 2 best stallions and then 4 more of the best mares so you will get 10 2yo in couple years

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is there a better speedier more efficient way of breeding with the Race Builder /Horse Files?

or does it take months years of play to get those wonder monsters?

yes it takes months no quick way of doing it

Hope that helps Brother


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simpleminds wrote:
I will be surprised if anyone that is in the league has cheated if it has been found that trainers have cheated I will no longer take part any in League from here on in I put in a lot of hours in my league team yea I know still run like donkeys hours of Schedule Building,Running League Races,Handicapping and more and to think someone clever enough is altering horse files leave a bitter taste in my mouth I am honest has the day is long and I think all the league Team over the last 3 seasons are too just like to know why this has come to attention now the final few weeks of SO5 is coming to the end.


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I was fortunate enough to work with you guys running one of the seasons of the so5 lge and i know that
everyone working on the lge were honest and had great integrity and also believed in fairplay and wanted
to help new trainers.

I would never falsely accuse anyone of cheating To be honest there are a few things that just don't add up
The fact this could have being going on for the 3 seasons well to me that is unacceptable.

with what has been revealed the Doubt is there and everyone is under a cloud
& that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth too lets not mess around here we all know the ridiculous amount of hours
goes into just being just barely competitive in the lge any honest trainer who made such a commitment is bound to feel
lousy about this situation it stinks but very glad Mark has plans to sure things up even more in the future.


Right now I think i will be just playing SO6 for fun this has just put me off completely but I will wait and see
what Mark comes up with if it becomes totally impossible to cheat in SO6 which (I thought this was the case in SO5)
then maybe i may feel differently but to me this situation has tarnished the last 3 seasons of the lge totally
and begs the Question is it really worth the hassle and time,


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I've got a few questions.

Hex editing is editing the binary of a file, heard that some people were editing horse files, in theory if you could find the bytes that determine how good a horse is you could change them, you would need to be good with all that stuff tho, its not easy. Doc Quote. July 28-2013

It's not easy, and yet people were using it in 2010 and hex old SO games, and by what I read in here more than a few was doing it back in the day. U said yesterday u could only change speed and stamina and yet we've seen what that horse could do in another topic. A monster at every distance.

I know mark said he got software to check but lets say if someone had bought the game when it first came out and for the first three months worked at one distance "lets say 6F" then just hexed a couple of his/her best colts/mares then they would have a pretty good horses over every distance, then from there bred about 20 generations to get them to the top would the software be able to pick them up on it, or would the hexing disappear. It's like in cycling where they will take something to cover up the illegal drugs. They say cheaters never prosper but sadly they do :cry:

I think the league has hit a brick wall that I'm not sure it can get up from :cry:


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ghostzapper74 wrote:
I know mark said he got software to check but lets say if someone had bought the game when it first came out and for the first three months worked at one distance "lets say 6F" then just hexed a couple of his/her best colts/mares then they would have a pretty good horses over every distance, then from there bred about 20 generations to get them to the top would the software be able to pick them up on it, or would the hexing disappear. It's like in cycling where they will take something to cover up the illegal drugs.


The hex editing would only change the particular exported horse file and would have no bearing whatsoever on breeding lines, or any offspring within the game so that wouldn't be possible. This was also picked up by Mark back in SO3, and rectified so that anything was flagged up to the attentions of him, or any race staff it was passed on to.

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I think the league has hit a brick wall that I'm not sure it can get up from

I disagree completely. I believe all trainers within the current league, are in with a completely clear string of horses. The fact Doc had all these supposed monsters at his disposal yet didn't enter the league suggests to me that he knew about what he'd found, and thankfully didn't enter the league otherwise that could have caused major problems.

To be honest I think majority of my horses would beat anything he's hexed, and so would yours Paul, Ghost and Steve but even so in the interests of fair play then it is something that has to be investigated just to clear the conscience of a few who obviously believe certain people are still bending the rules to gain an advantage.

The league has been fantastic this season, the level of competition I've seen is at the strongest I've been a participant of and we shouldn't let the actions of a player who hasn't even entered the league this season to detract from what we've all been a part of over eleven weeks thus far.


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