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You said this John, right? Why not for the good of the league and the lesser trainers and even the other top trainers...you abide by this honorable statement?



This is what I am going on about. It's not jealousy over better horses or me bumming because my horses stink. You stole a cheap listed race with a 4 time group 1 winner. Is this about the dual code champ.? Getting as many wins as possible? Is it something to do with your stated goal of having a great win % above anything else?

It's just this one race I'm on about and I think you plundered it without thinking about the other trainers.


We need more listed races.

I have 0% interest in winning any championship, I've said that from day 1. I don't care what my win percentage is I do what's best for my horses, I run them in the right races and that was the right race for that horse.

And u talk about that race like my horse would have been a 1-10 on shot, if u told me before the race who was favourite I would have said the 3yo's of Pauls - Steve's. That to me was my best win of the week because he was a top 3yo and now he was the under dog trying to beat the younger brigade of sprinters.

I will now not have any runners in then Gp1H'caps because If I win one then I suppose I'll be classed as cheating.

And u didn't answer my question about Present Abbey, if I bring her back and try to win the gp3 Florence Nightingale Chase after she's won a group 1 this year will it be cheating ! Answer me this question and we can all move on.

I have no answer for your question. This is the flat side I am concerned with.

Just pleasssssse give us minnows a break the next time a listed race comes your way and remember these words...





I loved this statement when you made it and now you've gone and done this.


Moving on now.

Last word on this, I'm not having much of a flat team next season so it wont happen again. Lets move on to the Breeders Cup .

It's cool bud. This just sticks in me the wrong way. I'm right. Your right. We're all right. More fodder for offseason I guess.

+1

Josh I've been saying this for the last 3 season's that we need more 0-90 - 0-100 races, there are loads for the top trainers but we need to run a few more of those h'caps a week so all trainers feel like they can win races every week. I feel like we lose a few trainers ( newbies) every year because they enter the horses and struggle and give up after a few weeks. Just my take.

I just looked on TOM at the trainers logs and I think you are right about losing trainers John. Most of the bottom 10 trainers have only run horses in a handfull of races.

I think there should be more lower handicap races at the 0-85 range so that the lesser trainers can enter races against horses at their own level. Maybe even have some bigger money or feature races at the lower levels to encourage the lesser trainers. Most of the low level handicap races have prize money of less than £20,000. What about one feature 0-85 handicap each week with £100,000 prize money.

One problem which I often see in races is that newbie trainers think their horses are better than they are and enter horses in races that are too far above their level and when these horses run poorly it discourages them from staying in the league. I have seen horses rated at 90 running in group races and finishing about 20 lengths behind the winner.

The standard of horses at the top level is so far above what a newbies horses are. I am relatively experienced in the league and have horses with full bars that have won 20 G1 races in the game and these horses struggle to win 0-100 races, so what chance newbies have unless we have more low level races and we encourage them to stick to these races. I think the lure of running in a big money G1 race like the Derby is too great for some trainers.

I don't know if it can be done in TOM or if we want to do it, but set a minimum handicap for some of the group races. If newbies can't enter lesser horses in G1 races it may encourage them to run in handicap races where they have more chance. The only problem I can see with this is that it might discourage some trainers.

This topic swirls around my head a lot.

Do we add more races? 40 races per week on the flat and hunt?

I can only go by Australian racing but I suspect it would be the same the world over - there are plenty of small towns around Oz that have a race track and they have their own Cup meeting. The prize money is boosted but it's still a race for low handicap horses. Maybe we can add races like this? Have some Cup races at 0-80 then 0-85 and then 0-90 etc. up to 0-110 and make them over assorted distances (which they are in Oz).
Maybe trot out some custom tracks that other players have made and use them?

I also think we need hunt races that are much lower rated. I don't think 0-110 is low enough - I think we need to go down to 0-80 or 0-90 at the least.

As I said before the start of last season - you need to keep the new players and the casual players engaged or they will drift off.

john is class trainer
if i was him i put that horse in listed race
he said no other race to enter
so he did
respect to mr morgan
he is better trainer then by far

I run horses in races they are going to get smashed in all the time, including a stack of flat group races where none of my horses have any hope at all, but I'd rather have the freedom to do so than not, I try and get my whole team out each week regardless of prospects, taking people out of G1's for me would not be a good thing, I view the entry/rating cap to be working.

I tend to think with more race options they can be competitive in and maybe higher money prizes or graded/group handicaps the issue will be self policing. Trouble with being new is more about the gulf between good in league and good in game, you don't find out good in game is meaningless until your unbeatable wonder horse gets smashed week in week out, I know from my own experience last season how disheartening that can be.

And in an effort not to totally derail this thread, bad week for me, one g2 winner on the jumps which was a nice bonus and a 2yo who nearly sneaked up for a group flat, but otherwise not good enough or just too heavy.

I don't want to win a Listed race when I know it's only won because others are so friendly not to enter their better horses. Everything must be earned this is the motivation.
I can't be that you play 8 seasons in game and win 30 online races. When I get smashed in Group races I concentrate on Handicaps. I don't understand this instant success must have, maybe SO online league is the wrong place for you.
Maybe a high prize money handicap final and some more lower Hcp races but don't gift everything. You can get Group horses for the OL with normal playing, not 50 but be happy when you have those stable pearls and try to get better.

I have won Many Group 1 races on the jumps but never won a group 1 on the flat I have had a group 3 winner so finally after about 6 Seasons going back to when Rich run the League I get a Group 1 Winner and a 2yo too and to Beat a John Morgan Beast Shinko Dancer after two Bad weeks over the Jumps I can Celebrate a Group 1 Winner on the Flat with Clare Grogan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqPJp7Q7qE

Gray

HEHE IT HAD TO BE CLARE

Jenny Bond Clare Grogan double thats one for doug and martin

well done Gray


Hey lads the beer went flat this week