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keithbeaky
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Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:47 pm Posts: 2407 Location: UK
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 Re: New season
How can you say times mean absolutely nothing, that's so misleading. It gives you an idea of where your horses are for a start. There are a lot of variables but times you clock in trials tell you how good your horses are.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:53 am |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: New season
cahiller wrote: as i only started a new game bou 3-4 days ago i havnt got really much breeding lines going and not even gonna bother with a flat league team, but said i wud throw something together just to participate in the NH league but my god ive only just started trying to sort a league team and paul even ur bumper times are streets ahead of mine ha ha food for thought... is it even worth me trying to start a league team haha shocking !! Paul is right, most jump league races are never run as quick as we trial them, plus there's plenty of good jump h'caps to go for. The flat is a different animal, u probably need the best of the best to compete. As long as u horses got a full potential bar then u got a chance.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:08 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
keithbeaky wrote: How can you say times mean absolutely nothing, that's so misleading. It gives you an idea of where your horses are for a start. There are a lot of variables but times you clock in trials tell you how good your horses are. My intention was not to mislead (thanks for jumping all over that Matt) My intention was to encourage others not to write off entering the lge because there times are not close to the ones on the forum You no full well i have always tried to help and encourage new entrants into the lge i certainly would never intentionally mislead anyone. Do Times really mean much look at last season my milers clocked the quickest times that were ever posted on the forum (Not saying the quickest just the quickest posted) How many races did they win 2 or 3 how many G1s NONE Times give you an idea of who Your own best horses are but when it comes down to it i stand by my point that they don't mean much
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:11 am |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: New season
Plus u got a week before the season starts so I would if I was u see where u got u best horses and do most/All of u breeding there. So if u got good hurdlers then do all u breeding there to get better or if u got good chaser do it with them.
It only takes a week to get better, that's what I did last season and I came up with all my three mile chasers.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:18 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
I think when it comes to trialing a points system to find out your most consistent is far more important than the times you clock its only my opinion
if you look over the past month several other more experienced trainers than me have said the same thing that in the NHC times mean little but yet when i say the same thing accusations of misleading people arise but i will leave it there
Looking forward to the season would recommend everyone giving it a go
Are you entering Matt
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:21 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
ghostzapper74 wrote: Plus u got a week before the season starts so I would if I was u see where u got u best horses and do most/All of u breeding there. So if u got good hurdlers then do all u breeding there to get better or if u got good chaser do it with them.
It only takes a week to get better, that's what I did last season and I came up with all my three mile chasers. And what a season you had mate shows what can be achieved
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:23 am |
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leonvr
Group 1 winner
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2485
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 Re: New season
My G1 winning milers last season were much slower than the times posted on the forum. And so was my oaks winner who was actually a 1m6 horse running over 1m4. I have never gone under 2.30 at Epsom.
Note : I don't trial with pacemakers which could be the reason my times are much slower
For NH times are not important at all
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:33 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
leonvr wrote: My G1 winning milers last season were much slower than the times posted on the forum. And so was my oaks winner who was actually a 1m6 horse running over 1m4. I have never gone under 2.30 at Epsom.
Note : I don't trial with pacemakers which could be the reason my times are much slower
For NH times are not important at all I no longer trial with pacemakers too have not done so since the transfer window in season 2 Your Point above about your Oaks winner will encourage others to enter Leon
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:40 am |
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leonvr
Group 1 winner
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 2:50 pm Posts: 2485
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 Re: New season
On another note my oaks winner did not have a full potential bar at 3. It was about 85%. The horse at a full potential bar at 5 but at 3 her stats were not at an optimum level.
In fact I rarely get a horse with a full potential bar at 3. SO it is possible to win a group 1 with a horse without a full potential bar
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:44 am |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: New season
pjrhodes1970 wrote: ghostzapper74 wrote: Plus u got a week before the season starts so I would if I was u see where u got u best horses and do most/All of u breeding there. So if u got good hurdlers then do all u breeding there to get better or if u got good chaser do it with them.
It only takes a week to get better, that's what I did last season and I came up with all my three mile chasers. And what a season you had mate shows what can be achieved Will need to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get anywhere near that this season or a miracle of all miracles. As I've always said times only matter to u horses to work out u horses ultimate ability, never get caught up in what other people are doing. Most times races are not run to suit u horses so we never get to see what they can do. Instead of looking at people's times study how races are run in the league. This is my brake down to a good league horse. 60% Ability 30% Positioning ( never over look this one) 10% Trialling I've got a two year old called Dayjur( by the mighty Warrior Queen) who was the last horse I bred for my flat team and who has 60 % ability but has very little position skills about 5 to 10%, I only put him in because he was the first decent horse warrior queen bred( and I've tried hundreds of times). It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:53 am |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: New season
leonvr wrote: On another note my oaks winner did not have a full potential bar at 3. It was about 85%. The horse at a full potential bar at 5 but at 3 her stats were not at an optimum level.
In fact I rarely get a horse with a full potential bar at 3. SO it is possible to win a group 1 with a horse without a full potential bar I'm the complete opposite, mine are juiced early on and fall of a cliff quickly. Even my jumpers are the same, greenbank park at 6 is a superstar by seven a complete donkey. Paul put up 2m chaser races yesterday and they were all six year olds, mine are on blackpool beach by then. The good thing about this game was that unlike most games where there's one way to do things there are lots of different ways to get to the top. I think we all done things slightly different.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:03 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
ghostzapper74 wrote: leonvr wrote: On another note my oaks winner did not have a full potential bar at 3. It was about 85%. The horse at a full potential bar at 5 but at 3 her stats were not at an optimum level.
In fact I rarely get a horse with a full potential bar at 3. SO it is possible to win a group 1 with a horse without a full potential bar I'm the complete opposite, mine are juiced early on and fall of a cliff quickly. Even my jumpers are the same, greenbank park at 6 is a superstar by seven a complete donkey. Paul put up 2m chaser races yesterday and they were all six year olds, mine are on blackpool beach by then. The good thing about this game was that unlike most games where there's one way to do things there are lots of different ways to get to the top. I think we all done things slightly different. i have even stopped exporting & trialing 5yo because the 6yo's dominate them it is rare that a 5yo would even get into top 10 in any of my trial finals
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:11 am |
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pjrhodes1970
Group 1 winner
Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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 Re: New season
This fits my point exactly below  so permitations is my quickest ever 2 mile chaser but so far he has only scored 12 pts in total in 15 trial finals and only got 5 top 5 finishes 0 wins Leader has 45 pts 10 top 5 finishes 6 wins she is called Monreal If you are time orientated you would probably pick permitations for the lge squad
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:17 am |
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pjrhodes1970
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Joined: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 pm Posts: 15187 Location: Republic of Ireland
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:26 am |
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ghostzapper74
Group 1 winner
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:03 am Posts: 4148 Location: Wales
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 Re: New season
Paul im breeding two milers chasers today so i will see if my 6 year olds are still donkeys. How do u decide if only one makes it but u got two with the same ability, all my horses are real life horses so whoever was my fav in real gets in. Just bred some two milers and my 5 year olds are still much better, good i don't need to change any thing 
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:47 am |
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